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Username Post: PERMANENT: Canadian Chevrolet information 1929-42        (Topic#96359)
Anonymous 

04-03-05 11:39 PM - Post#664209    

Vintage Historical Services at GM of Canada in Oshawa have sent out to owners of Canadian Chevrolets in the past details of serial and engine number runs for cars, light delivery and trucks. This information is reputedly now no longer available and over the years I have been collecting copies of the original data sheets from owners who were sent them years ago.

If anyone has any of these sheets please let me know! I am building a definitive database of Canadian Chevrolets and Pontiac, Maple Leaf and GMC chassis that used Chevrolet engines and these data sheets will assist me complete it. Luckily for passenger cars we know except for perhaps one year, serial number runs and also engine numbers because the same series applied to cars, l.d. and trucks.



 
Fernandoraviol 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
06-19-05 05:45 AM - Post#664210    
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Hi: Where can I find informations sucha as model code ,etc for my Chevrolet 1929or 30 sedan 4 doors motor 835501 serial No101871 right hand drive??? thanks



 
Anonymous 

Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
09-17-05 05:03 AM - Post#664211    
    In response to Fernandoraviol

I am sorry but I had not picked up the query! The # 835501 and # 835503 are the 1929 casting numbers for the cylinder block and head, whereas 1930 was 835501 and 836723. The serial number proves it is not Canadian. The car was probably assembled by General Motors de Argentina, Buenos Aires..look for a 'XC' code on the build plate. The engine number will have a 'R' in front and is stamped on a pad on the block. I think that the carw as sent out as a kit of parts from Bloomfield, New Jersey Chevrolet Boxing Plant.



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 05:03 AM - Post#664212    
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Good morning, not sure if you could help me?

I have a 1939 Canadian built Pontiac Arrow model sedan with a six cyclinder motor. My problem is do think the motor is the one that came with the car when it was new. Few people have told me that in 1939 GM Oshawa was gearing up for the war so "strange" things may have happen.

The VIN plate on the car is as follows:

Model - 22 - 19
Serial; 9221900974
Engine; 1298992
Body Serial; 237
Trim; 265
Paint; 900

When I looked at the engine number on a small machine block on the right (passenger) side of the engine at the front I read; 96381 (reading left to right). This number is stamped on.

The casting number, again on the right side of the engine towards the back is GM and under that G57, reading left to right. These letters and number are raised.

Any help/information/pictures you could provide that would assit me in identifying this engine is greatly appreciated.

Thank you
Bob Lalonde
greyoneca@yahoo.com



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 05:13 AM - Post#664213    
    In response to greyoneca

Being from North of the border (US that is - check out a map of the Detroit/Windsor area if you doubt it), I'm not familiar with a Pontiac "Arrow" model, though I do know that the lowest US Pontiac series did use the same "A" series body as did Chevrolet in '39. The question I'd have (that I didn't see mentioned in your post): is your car powered by what appears to be a Chevy 216 cubic-inch OHV engine, or does it use a Pontiac flathead six?

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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 05:23 AM - Post#664214    
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Thanks for your response. Two appraisals list the engine as original one states "Orig. 224 C.I.". There in lies my problem, not sure what the engine is do know it is not a flat head. Think the Arrow model was a Canadian thing. At a show in Potiac MI someone said the car was a Chev. from the front window back.



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 08:47 AM - Post#664215    
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The engine is an overhead valve 1939 Chevrolet 216 with a larger bore and aluminum pistons.If I remember correctly the bore is 3 9/16" VS the 3 1/2" 216 bore.The Chevrolet had an enclosed drive shaft and did not have an X type frame where as the Pontiac had an open drive shaft and an X in the center of the frame.I would suspect that the frame,running gear and suspension are all Chevrolet.

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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 08:59 AM - Post#664216    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Hi, think the information coming is just great. I do have a picture of the engine and car and if someone would tell me how to post I would do so and maybe my mystery would be solved.
Thanks again
Greyoneca



 
Anonymous 

Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 11:39 AM - Post#664217    
    In response to greyoneca

Hi again Mike! The Pontiac Arrow Six was basically a Canadian Chevrolet in Pontiac clothes whereas the Chietain Six wjich also used the Chevrolet shell and running gear with Pontiac styling had the Chevrolet 216-based 224 cu in engine...'Cheviacs' as someone once said. By 1942 the 'Cheviac' idea had been dropped and Oshawa reverted to clones of the US Pontiacs, but then revived the idea in 1955 and then continued for many years. In 1955 they offered the essential six option, the 235 Chevy-based 261 'Astro-Six' when US Pontiacs had gone all-V8 in addition to the range of Chevy V8s.

1939 Walkerville Plant Chevy/Pontiac Arrow Six/GMC engine numbers:
# 1288953 - # 1305600
# 1972801 - # 1997876

with 'C' for light truck, 'T' for 'Truck' and 'R' for Right hand drive' by itself or in front of 'C' or 'T' as appropriate.

1939 Canadian Pontiac numbers:
ARROW SIX
922XXetc OSHAWA...# 00001 TO 04313
922XXetc REGINA ...# 80001 TO 80972!

CHIEFTAIN SIX:
925XX SAME sequence BUT MOTORS # W-27060 TO 29439 [224 CU IN] so you can deduce how many of the total of 4,966 Pontiacs built in 1939 were 22XX by deducting the number of W-prefixed motors. 'K' was used instead of 'W' for GMC 224 engines.

However the engine that you have appears to have a casting date code of G-5-7, which suggests July 5th 1937 and therefore a 1937 unit. Candian 1937 Chevrolet engines ran:

R, C, CR, T or TR as the case may be:
# 64,201 114,000
172,001 - 172,550
1,248,501 - 1,248,600
658,000 - 668,000
1,053,000 - 1,056,000

It just happens that I know of a cylinder head in New Zealand cast that same day! The 1937 early Canadian cylinder head was casting # 838355 and the blocks casting # 838101 which I believe is a US number from memory and the unique McKinnon Industries, St Catherines, foundry # 1788201. The block casting date suggest 1937, and the engine # fits in the known 1937 series as well. It cannot have come from a 1937 Canadian Pontiac as they used either the US Pontiac engine or the first of the 224 units, prefixed 'W' for 'Walkerville', oh all right, 'Windsor' but I prefer the original name! The Series 37-26 Six engines ran # W15881 - W22916. The same engine, in 'Truck' form was also used in GMC T-14/16 and F-16 trucks.





 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-03-05 01:37 PM - Post#664218    
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You solved it David. It is a 37 engine because the serial number is next to fuel pump rather than being behind the distributor. The block also has two bolts holding down the distributor which was changed to one bolt in 39'. The coil, air cleaner, carb and valve cover are not stock 216 parts. The car was originally black (paint 900) which is better than most of the drab colours they used.



 
greyoneca 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-04-05 11:04 AM - Post#664219    
    In response to 39Chevyaker

If I understand you all my engine is a 1937 216 - 224 mixture. The distributor sleeve has a place for two bolts but my distributor is held down by only one bolt, towards the back and only has one bolt hole. I will try to attache some pictures, in all likelyhood will mess it up so please tell me how to post pictures.

Greyoneca



 
39Chevyaker 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-04-05 03:02 PM - Post#664220    
    In response to greyoneca

Bob, you can't attach pics - they have to exist on a web server. Email them to me and I will post to my web server and reply with the link.
Mike



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-04-05 06:16 PM - Post#664221    
    In response to greyoneca

I would suspect that you may have a 1939 Arrow engine.The 1298992 engine number falls into the Info. from David for the Walkerville 1939 numbers-1288953 thru 1305600.The engine number location may have been different for the Canadian 224 engine.The casting and date numbers are also on the top of the head under the valve cover.The casting numbers from the intake and exhaust manifolds also would be helpful.

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Anonymous 

Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-05-05 02:27 AM - Post#664222    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Gene, the Canadian build plate quotes the original engine # as fitted in the Oshawa or Regina Plants, and in this case there was at one stage a 224 unit. However he has a 1937 engine now, # 96381. It does get confusing!



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-05-05 05:11 AM - Post#664223    
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At one time I had more 224 information but can not find it now....What years was the 224 produced?Was there an "Arrow" model in 1937 and 1938??
I have a picture of a 1938 Pontiac sedan delivery - a 1938 Chevrolet body with an ugly version of a 1938 Pontiac front end grafted on.I seem to recall seing a sedan version many years ago.I am familar with the 1939 Arrow version as it used the Chevrolet A body and there were few changes.
It did find a site for these cars but can't find it now.

ChevGene 1934 Master sedan 1939 Master DeLuxe Town Sedan 1950 Styline DeLuxe Power Glide 1957 Nomad 283 PG 1963 Corvair Convertible


 
39Chevyaker 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-06-05 09:43 AM - Post#664224    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

The Arrow was produced from 39-42 and was called the 22 or series 2200. GM Canada wanted to fill a price point and took the Master 85 and changed the sheetmetal forward of the firewall. The front end sheet metal is unique for this car because of the short wheelbase 112". Everything else is Chevrolet except for center dash trim, hubcaps, bumper and taillight emblems.

The 224 was available on the 37-38 model 26 and 39 model 25. The CDN 39 model 25 was the US Pontiac model 25 body (115")with a 224 (3 9/16" bore) valve in head engine. The parts book shows the 224 uses the same head 838751 and engine gasket set as the 216 for all years.
Mike



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-06-05 04:14 PM - Post#664225    
    In response to 39Chevyaker

Intresting...The 1937-38 25 was the regular US Pontiac and it had a 222 cubic inch Pontiac engine rated at 85 HP - same as HP a US 216 Chevrolet.
Also from what you said did the 1939-40 Arrow have the Master 85 straight axle or coils?
Many yeas ago a friend bored his 1949 216 out to 3 9/16"...When a valve stuck and poked thru the cylinder wall we found the wall to be paper thin.The Pontiac version must have used a different casting.Do you know what HP the 224 was rated at?

ChevGene 1934 Master sedan 1939 Master DeLuxe Town Sedan 1950 Styline DeLuxe Power Glide 1957 Nomad 283 PG 1963 Corvair Convertible


 
39Chevyaker 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-06-05 07:27 PM - Post#664226    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

The 39/40 Arrow used the Chev Master 85 JB/KB chassis (straight axle), running gear and body (except the front sheet metal). The firewall looks exactly like a 39 chev but it has a pair of mounts for the Pontiac horns and the center support for the alligator hood. The shop manual lists
224 89 BHP @ 3400 rpm 6.5 compression ratio
216 85 BHP @ 3200 rpm 6.25 compression ratio
All of the CDN Chev trucks had the 216 and all of the CDN GMC trucks came with the 224.
Mike



 
Anonymous 

Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-07-05 08:35 AM - Post#664227    
    In response to 39Chevyaker

Because it is all so confusing I have raided my database and uplifted a partial file. This has 1937-42 Canadian Chevrolet car & truck, Maple Leaf and Chev-based GMC trucks and Chev-based Pontiacs and shows the engine types as used plus serials. I have included known Regina vehicles and Pontiacs and GMCs as they are so rare!

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevytalk/37-42canadian.htm



 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
11-07-05 05:13 PM - Post#664228    
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That indiactes that some Arrows used a 216 and the DeLuxe used a 224.....Great list

ChevGene 1934 Master sedan 1939 Master DeLuxe Town Sedan 1950 Styline DeLuxe Power Glide 1957 Nomad 283 PG 1963 Corvair Convertible


 
Anonymous 

1930 REGINA CAR
11-10-05 12:54 AM - Post#664229    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Echoing the 1912-28 Forum, I have decided to put in here interesting Canadian Chev/GMC/Maple Leaf/Pontiac information.


This data is off a very rare Regina car:

GENERAL MOTORS
of CANADA Limited
MADE IN [ MAPLE LEAF] CANADA

OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA
MODEL SERIAL NO
UNIVERSAL 458639
ENGINE NO 269801

FISHER BODY
BUILT BY
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LTD. OSHAWA
CORRESPONDENCE PERTAINING TO THE
BODY MUST BEAR THESE NUMBERS

JOB NO. 30557
BODY NO. CK 227 R


Note the 'CK and 'R'!! Now, the 'R' suffix indicates presumably 'Regina Plant'..now we know that this ia Regina car because the serial # fits into the Regina series:
# 457001 to 462438

However what does 'CK mean? In 1928 Oshawa used 'K' for some bodies, but I suspect that it means 'Completely Knocked [down]'. Regina did not have a body facility in 1929-30, and 1931 when it was open but it did in 1937-41 after it re-opened for the second time [note opened once, closed, re-opened, closed, then re-opened, then closed for good]. All bodies were imported it seems as components from Oshawa and then assembled.



 
Anonymous 

Re: 1930 REGINA CAR
11-10-05 11:39 AM - Post#664230    
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A 1930 Oshawa - built car has just turned up..original engine and all! However the casting date is M-17-9, with M for December, so they missed out 'I' it seems. There is also the mysterous '1-H' casting next to the bowtie. I have conjected that this indicates Hamilton Foundry but we do not know! The jury is still out on whether GM of Canada assembled 1930 Model passenger cars in Walkerville Plant, as per the trucks from 1929-31, alongside engines. Trucks reverted to Oshawa in 1932 MY as Regina, Sask. Plant closed for the second time in August 1930. That said, Chevrolet Heavy Duty trucks, pre-Maple Leaf marque intro'd. 1933 were probably assembled in an ex-Fisher Body Plant in Walkerville near the truck and bus cab and body Plant. Chevrolet HD were based on GMC chassis with Chevy engines and debuted on July 1 1930. The US had no direct equivalent, although Canada did not get the LS trucks.



 
Anonymous 

Re: 1930 OSHAWA CAR ...see previous posting
11-11-05 03:55 AM - Post#664231    
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This is the aforementioned '30 AD Roadster but which body style is it? Sport Roadster or Super Sport Roadster? Where would the body plate be on an open US car? On the passenger seat or on the floor or dash?





 
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Re: 1930 REGINA CAR
11-11-05 04:35 AM - Post#664232    
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On a US-built open body style, the plate is SUPPOSED to be on the right side of the seat frame according to a Krause Publications reference I have.


Royer



 
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Re: 1930 OSHAWA CAR ...see previous posting
11-11-05 09:41 AM - Post#664233    
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There were two roadsters built in 1930.A 2 passenger (no rumble seat) job with steel disc wheels and a 4 passenger Sport roadster with a rumble seat and wire wheels.The car appears to be a Sport roadster.

The serial numbers on US roadsters were in a different location I believe and the did not have a Fisher body - they had a Chevrolet body.



 
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Re: 1930 OSHAWA CAR ...see previous posting
11-11-05 01:20 PM - Post#664234    
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From a 1930 expert "the roadster and phaeton bodies were made by Chevrolet and did not have a body style/number ID plate.The serial number is on the passenger side (right) front seat kick-up"..JYD..this is for US cars.

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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
02-04-06 05:00 PM - Post#664235    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Not to add to the confussion but... I would like to find out more about my recently acquired 37 Chev 4 door. I am not sure if it is a Master or Master Deluxe. How can I tell? The plate states: 7-12-19N, Serial Number:721904547, Body style:1347, Engine:91225, Paint:701, and Trim: 205

Rodding my 37 Chev


 
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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
02-04-06 05:15 PM - Post#664236    
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I do not see a 1347 body style???

The Master will have a solid front axle and leaf springs.The Master DeLuxe has enclosed coil spring independent front suspension.

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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
02-05-06 02:32 AM - Post#664237    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Your decode is as follows:

Model 7-12-19W ..I think it's a 'W' for 'Western Distribution', namely the Western District office in the Regina, Saskatchewan Plant that remained there after closure of assembly faciliites around August 15 1932, and then re-opned December 1937 for 1938 MY.
Serial: 7121904547
Engine: 91225
Body Serial: 1347
Trim: 205
Paint: 701
Note the body style is 1219...or Fisher Job No. 1219, a 4-door 5-passenger sedan with Trunk, in the Master or Maitresse Seroes 1200.

Production commenced at Oshawa, Ontario November 6 1936, and finished October 1938. Serials ran # 712XX0001 to 712XX15743. Engines:

[R]64201 114000
[dedicatd to Master/Maitresse series?]
[R]17201-172600?
[R]1248501-1248600
[R]658000-668000
[R]1053000-1056000

where 'R' is Right-hand drive. All engines and gearboxes from the former Walkerville, from 1935 Windsor plant, Walker Road, Windsor, Ontario. Bo ida yet on production figures but Oshawa produced 1,881 4-door 1219 sedans in 1938 for the domestic market, and 1,683 1019 Master/Maitresse De Luxe equivalents.

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Re: 1929-40 Canadian Chevrolet information?
02-05-06 08:07 PM - Post#664238    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

I'll have to check the plate again and see if I have the body style correct. It is a solid axle with leaf springs, therefore a master. Thanks for this, very much appreciated.

Rodding my 37 Chev


 
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