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01-03-05 10:38 AM - Post#590402
Who Makes What Tools
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-03-05 01:47 PM - Post#590403
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That was interesting...
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-03-05 03:17 PM - Post#590404
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who knew.good reading Thanks 
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-03-05 04:55 PM - Post#590405
In response to Pistol
I've seen a similar post with similar info here before. Looks like you need to see who owns who and who has whose manufacturing contract on a monthly basis. Of course that's true for all businesses these days, esp. manufacturing.
The bit about the same forgings for different products is rarely true. Besides, go look at Craftsman stuff - they have different forgings for the same tool in the same store.
The Craftsman stuff sure isn't what it use to be, but it's still a good value for most stuff IMO. The plating sure sucks, but I guess you just take it back and get a new one. To me, even Snap On isn't what it used to be. Thicker cross-sections, a bit less precision.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-04-05 06:32 AM - Post#590406
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i agree with rick. my proto professional wrench set doesnt share anything with any of the other tools i have out of his list that were supposedly forged at the same plants. you can't beat the feel of those proto wrenches with a stick, theyre better than all my other tools with the exception of the grip's feel on my snap-on ratchets.
i do however, have some 20-some year old craftsman and williams "superwrench" wrenches, the 1"+ set, and theyre exactly the same down to the "forged in usa" on the handle, with the exception of the name.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-04-05 04:28 PM - Post#590407
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i think SK was made in chicago..possibly still are. the scrap yard i haul to in chicago occasionally gets a load of brand new SK tools that are rejects. they keep everyone away and use a magnet to load them directly into a shredder. dont want anyone scooping them up and turning them in for warranty.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-04-05 05:37 PM - Post#590408
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i think SK was made in chicago..possibly still are. the scrap yard i haul to in chicago occasionally gets a load of brand new SK tools that are rejects. they keep everyone away and use a magnet to load them directly into a shredder. dont want anyone scooping them up and turning them in for warranty.
what a shame. if i worked at the yard i'd take them home! they probably are contracted to destroy them, like GM does/did with the prototypes. this one guy owned one of the contracted yards and hid them all away, and after the statute of limitations was up, he put them in museums on tour.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-05-05 05:32 AM - Post#590409
In response to grumpyvette
This was put out at a latter date, like Paul Harvy's (The Rest of the Story)
http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/morewhotools.html
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-05-05 05:49 AM - Post#590410
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For many years, I know that Western Forge, a division of Emerson Electric, in Colorado Springs, CO made many of the "Craftsman" line of tools, perhaps they still do. When I lived in Colorado Springs, this was one of the accounts I serviced. From time to time, they would have a sale to get rid of the rejects, tools with cosmetic flaws. They also made tools for other brands, but I don't remember which ones now. If you look closely at a "Craftsman" screwdriver, you may see the letters "WF" molded in the handle, indicating it was made by Western Forge.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
01-08-05 10:47 PM - Post#590411
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Here is another page that might help clear up who makes what. http://ww3.hti.org/0410HTIDirectory.htm
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
03-05-05 02:28 PM - Post#590412
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Thanks, an eye opener,very informative. 
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Re: Who Makes What Tools
05-12-05 09:39 AM - Post#590413
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Here in the Great White North, it is my belief that a line carried by Canadian Tire, a hardware/sporting goods/paint/and everything else store, is made by Snap-On. They look, feel, and weigh just like Snap-On wrenches. Only difference is the name on them.
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05-19-06 11:44 AM - Post#590414
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crafsman has an off brand called vaughn, the hammers are the exact same thiung, its the name thats different, also Dewalt makes black and decker tools, same people.
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Re: Who Makes What Tools
07-12-06 03:46 PM - Post#590415
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Was why this thread (GrumpyVette's post) edited?? Just curious. I was looking for some hand tool info and saw this was a "sticky" but when I opened it up I see it was edited.
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Re: tools , who makes what? worth reading
08-22-06 10:22 PM - Post#590416
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i think SK was made in chicago..possibly still are. the scrap yard i haul to in chicago occasionally gets a load of brand new SK tools that are rejects. they keep everyone away and use a magnet to load them directly into a shredder. dont want anyone scooping them up and turning them in for warranty.
what a shame. if i worked at the yard i'd take them home! they probably are contracted to destroy them, like GM does/did with the prototypes. this one guy owned one of the contracted yards and hid them all away, and after the statute of limitations was up, he put them in museums on tour.
that would be Warhoops auto salvage , a great place for cadillac parts still, and for GM parts in general
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Re: Who Makes What Tools
08-23-06 05:51 AM - Post#590417
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http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html
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axlerod the link that DEE DEE posted is in the first post is still valid, click on the blue lettering in the eddited post its a {link}
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08-23-06 07:53 AM - Post#590418
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Personally I'm glad the S-K rejects got destroyed. It keeps the quality up, and if those wrenches had been taken, and returned as warranty items it just would have made a good American company weaker. Besides, the metallurgy might have been off or something--no company wants bad product out there.
I've got several sets of S-K's and I love 'em. I had to remove the starter on the Cummins B in my Dodge a couple of years ago, and the damm bolts were 10mm, but they must have been torqued on by Bigfoot! So I broke my only 10mm socket--it was a Craftsman. Then got my 10mm S-K wrench and put it on and got the old rubber hammer out. It saved my butt that day.
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05-31-11 10:01 PM - Post#2097758
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Any info on who is making the air tools for these companies? If you base it on looks alone it seems IR is making them for the big names (snap-on, mac etc.)
Though after using several aircats my preference in impacts is leaning towards them.
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06-01-11 09:44 AM - Post#2097914
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The link at the top of this thread is over 8 years old. And I'm business has changed over that time period. Any updates as to who makes what?
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12-31-11 05:14 PM - Post#2174377
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The link at the top of this thread is over 8 years old. And I'm business has changed over that time period. Any updates as to who makes what?
Definitely time for some updating but this kind of info is somewhat obscure unless you're an industry insider. After I read all the links in the post I came away with more questions than answers - clearly there's going to be some arguing among representatives of different manufacturers/brand names, and it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who is qualified to make certain claims.
I've been digging through a number of hand tools lately while "parting out" some tool collections from varying sources. As somewhat anecdotal evidence I have noticed the huge difference in Craftsman ratchets depending on the letter coding next to the part number (comparing identical part #'s.)
I also noticed that I have a set of Craftsman flare wrenches that were clearly made from the same forgings that a set of KD flare wrenches are from. They're 100% identical other than the brand name and typeface, and the Craftsmans having the typical raised bar area where the name is stamped. I was thinking for the ease of exchange I'd hang onto the Craftsmans and sell off the KD's, but with Sears/KMart getting ready to close 100+ stores, not so sure...excercising your Craftsman tool warranties is likely to get a little trickier soon.
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02-13-13 01:33 AM - Post#2316301
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Sears has never manufactured Craftsman products itself, instead relying on other manufacturers to make the products for them and then apply the Craftsman brand name. Sometimes, the Craftsman branded items include exclusive features or functions that separate them from the manufacturer's own brand or other brands that that manufacturer produces. Other times, Craftsman products are identical models to other brands with a different name badge on them. In the last 4 years, many of the hand tools sold under the Craftsman brand name are now made overseas. General hand tools have been made by a variety of manufacturers over the years including New Britain,[18] Moore Drop Forge,[10] Stanley,[19] Easco Hand Tools,[20] and most recently the Apex Tool Group[21] (wrenches, ratchets, and sockets) and Western Forge[22] (screwdrivers, pliers, and adjustable wrenches). Some screwdrivers have also been manufactured by Pratt-Read (now part of Ideal Industries). Many Craftsman portable power tools have been manufactured by Techtronic Industries. Many Craftsman bench and stationary power tools have been manufactured by Emerson Electric Company and DeWalt.[23] Craftsman-branded garage door openers are manufactured by The Chamberlain Group.[24] Sears hand power tools have also been produced by DeWalt. Some, such as the corded and cordless drills, were indistinguishable, other than the color and decal. Tool chests and cabinets have typically been manufactured by Waterloo Industries. Some tools have codes on them that correspond to the manufacturer that produced the product for Sears (see Alloy Artifacts website reference below). Many major Sears Craftsman items also have a vendor prefix, which is typically the first three digits before the period or dash in the model number. These first three digits correspond to the vendor code, or the actual manufacturer contracted to make the product for Sears. the source was wikipedia
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05-25-15 08:15 AM - Post#2549575
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Been a while since this thread has seen an update.
I search the original link and no mention of BOSCH.
http://www.bosch.com/en/com/bosch_group/ou r_brands...
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01-05-17 09:07 AM - Post#2669421
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Here is a nice comprehensive list of who owns who.
http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate -affiliat...
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01-05-17 10:05 AM - Post#2669434
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Stanley to buy the Craftsman brand from KCD IP, LLC, a special purpose entity created by Sears Holdings for securitization purposes. Sears Holdings controls the Craftsman brand and put it up for bid in October of last year. Terms of the sale are for a total of $900 million dollars, with $550 cash upfront, $250 mill after 3 years, and a percentage of sales for 15 years. After 15 years Sears gets 3% of the sales it makes.
Some history and background: Sears registered the Craftsman brand in 1927 after paying $500 to the Marion-Craftsman Tool Company for the rights to use the name.
As many people know, Sears never manufactured tools themselves under the Craftsman brand but rather contracted with various manufacturers over the years to manufacturer the tools to their specifications. Suppliers have included Stanley and Stanley owned brands such as Dewalt, among many others.
Most recently, much but not all, of the Craftsman hand tool line has been supplied by Apex Tool Group, which is owned by Bain Capital and includes a portfoliio of many brands. A few years ago Apex decided to move production to China. Apparently, Sears went along with the move rather than look for a new supplier. They quietly changed the marketing lingo to "Craftsman, Made to Make" and introduced new Chinese made stock alongside NOS USA made tools. Gone were the words, "Forged in the U.S.A. Some Craftsman tool lines are still made here in the U.S.A. but you have to check each one individually. The electric tools are mostly made in Taiwan or China, (by Dewalt, Delta, Emerson, TTI, etc.) and have been for years.
For a very brief period, some Craftsman hand tools were manufactured in Japan during the early 80's. I'm not sure who the tool manufacturer was at the time but due to the backlash by customers the move was short lived. This time around, customer backlash against hand tool production moving offshore to China made no difference. Also around the same time, Sears cut deals with other retailers such as Ace Hardware to offer the Craftsman branded tools in their stores.
Going forward: Hopefully Stanley will be a good owner and steward for the venerable Craftsman brand. It would be great if they would seek to move hand tool production back to the U.S.A. Time will tell.
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