greenock
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10-07-24 09:00 PM - Post#2874494
Hello,
Just wondering if someone may have this information.
I'm wanting to know the engine revs verses road speed on my 52 Bel Air, powerglide with standard running gear.
The handbook recommends shifting into top before forty miles per hour, and not changing down over forty miles per hour, it would be interesting to know much the old girl is revving,
Many Thanks,
Ian.
1932 Special Sedan
1952 Bel Air powerglide
1958 Impala Convertible
Greenock- circa 1854 - New Zealand's oldest American house.
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ss3964spd
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10-08-24 04:27 AM - Post#2874502
In response to bobt
There are a number of RPM calculators you can use to figure out the RPM at various road speeds.
You need to know the gear ratios of the Powerglide, the rear axle gear ratio, and the diameter (height) of the rear tires.
Example; the rear axle ratio in my '66 Impala is 3.31:1, tire height is 27", and the transmission's final gear (4th gear) is 1.00:1. This works out to 2677 RPM at 65 MPH.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html
Dan
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52_Belair
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10-08-24 08:49 AM - Post#2874510
In response to bobt
In '52 the PG was a two speed but it didn't automatically shift between Low and Drive. If you wanted Low range you needed to manually select it.
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52_Belair
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10-08-24 09:07 AM - Post#2874511
In response to greenock
The gear ratio in Low is 1.82:1
So in L the engine RPM at 40 MPH would be about the same as 72 MPH in Drive. I don't know what the RPM would be at that speed though.
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greenock
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10-08-24 01:28 PM - Post#2874517
In response to bobt
I think you misunderstood my question bobt.
I have done many miles in my car know exactly how this great old transmission works.
1932 Special Sedan
1952 Bel Air powerglide
1958 Impala Convertible
Greenock- circa 1854 - New Zealand's oldest American house.
Greenock Garden, Karaka, Auckland. |
Edited by greenock on 10-08-24 01:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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greenock
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10-08-24 01:34 PM - Post#2874518
In response to 52_Belair
Thanks for the information 52-Belair.
I can work that out easily now.
Many Thanks.
1932 Special Sedan
1952 Bel Air powerglide
1958 Impala Convertible
Greenock- circa 1854 - New Zealand's oldest American house.
Greenock Garden, Karaka, Auckland. |
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52_Belair
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10-08-24 04:54 PM - Post#2874522
In response to greenock
When you figure out what the RPMs are let me know. Of course I guess I could use one of those calculators myself.
You probably know the differential ratio is 3.55:1
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Dand1960
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10-11-24 08:15 AM - Post#2874572
In response to greenock
Why not just connect a tachometer to it and run the car down the road. That way (if you are so inclined to) you could document any and all rpm values; during whatever diving scenario you are in.
Dan.
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52_Belair
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10-11-24 09:28 AM - Post#2874575
In response to Dand1960
Well in my case that would mean buying a tach that will work on 6v and from what I have seen they are kind of expensive for something I would only use once and don't plan to mount in the car.
OTOH it would be nice to have a tach to check my idle speed.
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Airlifter
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10-12-24 05:06 AM - Post#2874594
In response to 52_Belair
This is the formula I use. I also multiply by 1.1 for torque converter slip.
(Axle Ratio * Vehicle speed * transmission ratio * 336.13/Tire Diameter)
366.13 is to convert the result to RPM (63360 inches per mile/60 minutes per hour*Pi)
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Edited by Airlifter on 10-12-24 05:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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52_Belair
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10-12-24 08:42 AM - Post#2874600
In response to Airlifter
I compared your formula with the online calculator.
The formula matched for a manual transmission but gave a 206 RPM higher number for automatic. I suppose yours would be the more cautious method.
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radioheaterwsw tires
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10-12-24 01:22 PM - Post#2874612
In response to 52_Belair
THere's no lock up converters in these old automatics and a manual is direct drive unless the clutch is slipping (lol). What is the slip factor in these old PG's while going say 60MPH? Have never heard anyone say or read anyhwere what the percentage might be.
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52_Belair
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10-13-24 12:49 PM - Post#2874648
In response to radioheaterwsw tires
The online calculator did show a higher RPM for automatic compared to manual to account for some slippage, but the formula posted by Airlifter had more slippage.
But yes, who knows what the actual slippage is? My guess is that it would be less at higher speed than lower.
Edited by 52_Belair on 10-13-24 12:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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