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Username Post: Stock wheels and a spin-balancer?        (Topic#375769)
drew1987 
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09-28-24 01:07 PM - Post#2874275    

Hey!

I finally got a dynamic spin balancer and was going to balance my tires as they have a little shimmy. I was told a long time ago that becuase they are lug centric, the hub hole isn't true. I find this hard to believe. I DO have a vw style adapter I could in theory use, but I want to know from you guys how it has gone just using a cone in the center hole.

Thansk!

Drew

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1950 Chevy Styleline Deluxe
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Various other "modern classics"


 


Shepherd 
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09-28-24 01:17 PM - Post#2874276    
    In response to drew1987

My stock 51 wheels are hub centric. Mount one wheel see if it is in fact hub centric,.Lug




centric wheels need a special adapter for the wheel balancer.



Edited by Shepherd on 09-28-24 01:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
drew1987 
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09-28-24 03:16 PM - Post#2874278    
    In response to Shepherd

Thanks! Looks like the hole larger than the hub...

I do have the adapter but it looks a bit rinkydink... I would imagine - though I can be wrong - a wheel that has a hub hole larger than the hub on the car is still true to the hole, i cant imagine it's haphazardly manufactured unevenly?

I have to imagine to play that is natural to our front ends all but disappears with perfectly balanced wheels! Looking forward to that! Now to add power steering, go back to an I6, and install an overdrive transmission. And about 300lbs of sound deadening...

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

1950 Chevy Styleline Deluxe
1954 Chevy 3100
Various other "modern classics"


 
Shepherd 
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09-28-24 04:19 PM - Post#2874281    
    In response to drew1987

Hard to tell how accurately machined they were back in the day. Using the cone adapter on the balancer spin a wheel and look for vertical runout, that will tell if the hole is in the center of the wheel.



 
ss3964spd 
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09-29-24 07:00 AM - Post#2874288    
    In response to drew1987

I have read, and learned, the same thing, Drew, the stock wheels are lug centric, not hub centric. To be hub centric the wheel must fit snugly on the hub with no play between them.

Dan

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Shepherd 
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09-29-24 12:05 PM - Post#2874291    
    In response to ss3964spd

My stock wheels are mounted, hub centric on 11" GM rotors and a Camaro 10 bolt 8.5 rear, maybe that's why they are hub mounted,



 
drew1987 
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09-29-24 12:17 PM - Post#2874292    
    In response to Shepherd

Hmmmm. Good point on vertical run out. I’ll take a swing at this and report back. Might be a while. But glad to finally have a computer balancer

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

1950 Chevy Styleline Deluxe
1954 Chevy 3100
Various other "modern classics"


 
rrausch 
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10-01-24 06:08 AM - Post#2874330    
    In response to drew1987

When I was driving my '54 Chevy 3/4 ton truck, with split rims, my mechanic would jack up the front of my truck, bring an electrically driven "spinner" to the each tire, and spin the tire while it was on the truck. Somehow, and I never understood how, he then determined where the wheel weights needed to go.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.




 
Shepherd 
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10-01-24 06:25 AM - Post#2874332    
    In response to rrausch

I've seen that done, brakes not dragging, the heavy spot on the wheel rolls to the bottom, then weight is added 180 degrees opposite til the wheel does not rotate on it's own. Pretty crude.



 
drew1987 
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10-01-24 07:52 AM - Post#2874336    
    In response to Shepherd

rrausch did he have a gismo clamped on the rim? There was early dynamic balancers that worked like that!

Shepherd, thats actually how motorcycle tires were balanced in the day, I think....

here is a video I made some time ago about bubble balancing - there is an illustration early on that compared static vs dynamic balance. Sheds some light on this topic. Nevertheless I am SOOOOO glad to be done with bubble balancing haha https://youtu.be/C28rtJqvPl4

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

1950 Chevy Styleline Deluxe
1954 Chevy 3100
Various other "modern classics"


 
rrausch 
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10-03-24 07:58 PM - Post#2874403    
    In response to drew1987

Drew, I don't remember. This happened 30 years ago. The shop was a Bee-Line, and probably now is a real estate office.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.




 


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