Rocketbrian
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11-11-23 03:10 PM - Post#2864068
Are there any issues to take into account in replacing a 63 non tilt column with a 64 tilt one?
A bolt in type of swap? 63 wheel replace the 64 one ok?
As far as tilt column comparisons go, most parts interchange between the two years, however the cover for the switch actuator and the tube assembly have different parts numbers between the two years. However, those differences may not make any difference if installing the whole 64 column.
Thanks for any help with my questions.
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 turbo38s10
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11-12-23 01:54 PM - Post#2864099
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don't know if this helps you or not.
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62BillT
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11-12-23 02:55 PM - Post#2864101
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Not sure about a Tilt, but the standard columns have different diameter collars where the steering wheel matches up to it.
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Rocketbrian
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11-12-23 04:37 PM - Post#2864106
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Thanks, that is a concern. The 64 is larger then it wouldn't match up with the 63 steering wheel and would look odd and unfinished. I noticed 64s have a bigger horn button area. Good to know these things up front. Thanks.
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Rocketbrian
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11-12-23 04:51 PM - Post#2864108
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Thanks, great info.
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62BillT
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11-12-23 06:29 PM - Post#2864113
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Thanks, that is a concern. The 64 is larger then it wouldn't match up with the 63 steering wheel and would look odd and unfinished. I noticed 64s have a bigger horn button area. Good to know these things up front. Thanks.
I believe it's the opposite. The '63 has the larger diameter.
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 DonSSDD
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11-13-23 01:10 AM - Post#2864119
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Brian, where are you in NS? I’m near Mahone Bay, I parted out a 1963 Parisienne, it had tilt, the whole column was identical to the Chevy. I have lots of pictures of it if they are of interest, the 63 and 64 wheel is a different size at the base and the electrical bits of the 63 tilt are different than the stock wheel IIRC. Also parted out a power seat from the 63 if you are interested in any pictures of that.
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Rocketbrian
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11-13-23 06:28 PM - Post#2864144
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Right you are, thanks for the correction. My hold back in acquiring a 64 tilt is the mismatch of sizes between the smaller 64 column and the 63 steering wheel. I think it's about a 1/4" difference
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Rocketbrian
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11-13-23 06:47 PM - Post#2864146
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Small world, Don. I'm in the Economy area along the Bay of Fundy. I have a chance to buy a 64 tilt column but I'm hesitant due to unknown issues, ie. wiring hookups and the size differences when using the correct 63 wheel. Any insight would be great. Pictures would be helpful.
My Impala already has a factory power seat, along with power windows.
Your Pontiac looks great, a rare piece.
Regarding Pontiacs, I'm helping a neighbour with a 64 Custom Sport 300 horse 327. It has a factory AM FM, power antenna and a reverberator.
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DonSSDD
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11-14-23 04:02 AM - Post#2864150
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A reverb is pretty rare, I remember that sound from back in the day.
The steering wheel in the 63 tilt and non tilt is the same, I assume the same applies in 64 so check the base on your friend’s 64 Pontiac. My column if from a 1963 Impala 4 speed, a direct bolt in, my wheel in my 63 is from the 63 Pontiac tilt column. I have not owned a 64 Chev or Pontiac but I have owned 3 - 63 Pontiacs, 2 powerglides, and one 3 on the tree, most columns parts of the 63 powerglide, 3 on the tree, and Chev 4 speed were the same/interchangeable. None of the 63 tilt column was interchangeable with the non tilt 63 columns, from the steering box on up to the wheel. The electrical wiring was different, the internal signal light switch was different, I have no idea how a 63 and 64 tilt are different, other than the top of the column.
If you use a 64 tilt, you need every part of the whole column, top to bottom from the steering box and then it is a direct bolt in i am almost certain. The 63 tilt was a very rare option, a no number I read somewhere for Chevies was 14,000. A 64 column is much more common. Both are hard to get missing parts for.
I have a friend finishing off a 63 Impala SS, 409-425 4 speed, he’s in Lockeport. It’s painted and going back together. What condition is your car?
I’ll dig out some pictures.
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DonSSDD
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11-14-23 06:04 AM - Post#2864157
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dug out pictures, one shows everything I sold from the tilt wheel.
Forgot some things, the 63 tilt wheel has a different cancel cam white plastic base, otherwise wheel is the same. The signal light handle- screws in on the tilt, same as a 62 and earlier. The tilt lever is basically a smaller version of that lever.
On the Pontiac, I had to use the Pontiac dash bracket, it fit exactly in place of the Chevy 63 part.
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DonSSDD
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11-14-23 06:08 AM - Post#2864158
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63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),1998 Silverado Reg Cab 4WD, 62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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DonSSDD
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11-14-23 06:10 AM - Post#2864159
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63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),1998 Silverado Reg Cab 4WD, 62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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DonSSDD
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11-14-23 06:12 AM - Post#2864160
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63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),1998 Silverado Reg Cab 4WD, 62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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Rocketbrian
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11-14-23 09:19 AM - Post#2864165
In response to DonSSDD
Those are great pictures Don, thanks. If I understand you correctly, you put a 4 speed 63 Chevy column in your 63 Parisienne and found a 63 Pontiac column shift tilt column which you sold?
You got lucky twice.
So, those two different cancelling cams are attached to the steering wheel? I have an opportunity to buy a 64 Chev tilt column, but I didn't want to buy the wheel, as I would use my correct 63 one and of course shipping concerns. Another complication. Secondly, does the tilt wiring harness just plug into the existing harness, I presume it would?
It would appear from reviewing the parts catalog, all the 63 and 64 internals are the same, it's just the smaller mast jacket and top cover that differ.
I'm concerned about the look of the larger 63 wheel against the smaller, by a 1/4" 64 column.
My 63 is in very nice condition, it has never rusted. It's a non SS 283. Red and white.
Your friends 63 is the ultimate, I would love to see it and your Parisienne with a 409. There are three other 63 Impala SSs along this road, quite unusual.
I occasionally travel to Alan Oickles shop in Liverpool, as I have a 455 71 Cutlass convertible being restored there, perhaps a visit would be possible.
Cheers.
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11-16-23 06:38 AM - Post#2864207
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I took a few pictures of a 64 Impala SS with tilt wheel, it had every option offered on a 64 from the factory, including trailer hitch. The wood wheel was a factory installed option. I'm pretty sure this car was not restored, its in a museum in Nfld, he has some unbelievable vehicles. He owns other collectibles, including serial number 1 1969 Camaro Indianopolis 500 Pace Car, it was used on the track in the 1969 race.
https://www.vernonsantiquecarmuseum.ca/ He has many new cars since I was there.
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Edited by DonSSDD on 11-16-23 06:39 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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