 Gregor1
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02-21-23 03:59 PM - Post#2854825
I thought I posted once, so if it shows up twice, don't be surprised. I bought an '89 Camaro on an on-line auction. It was delivered. For what I paid, I am not disappointed at all, although you may be. I am sure I will have a LOT of stupid questions. so please bear with me. VIN 1G1FP21E0KL150664 It was billed as "NOT RUNNING" but that could mean just about anything. I did not get any keys. I removed the ignition cylinder, and have a new one on the way. My first stupid question is, does an '89 Camaro have a "chipped" key? Also, what is a "VATS" system, and does this car have one? Thanks for any help. Greg
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Gregor1
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02-21-23 08:57 PM - Post#2854839
In response to Gregor1
So, This Camaro will actually fire on starting fluid, but I cannot get the fuel pump to run. I have checked all fuses.n I have one of the valve covers off, drivers side, when I turn it over, there is no oil coming through the push rods. There is a tiny bit o9n couple of them. There is oil in it. Is turning it over with the starter enough rpm's to get oil through the push rods? Thanks
Greg
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Tony1963
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02-24-23 06:10 AM - Post#2854935
In response to Gregor1
Your fuel pump is likely toast. You probably will need a new tank too.
If it fires on starting fluid, that's a sign that there is no fuel deliver.
As far as oil coming out, a car that has been sitting a long time will take a while for the oil to fill all of the ports. Use a drill to prime the oil system.
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bobb
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02-26-23 08:42 PM - Post#2855095
In response to Gregor1
pull all the plugs and spray your favorite magic oil in the cylinders. get a new oil filter and crank it with the fuel pump suction line removed. it should try to suck your finger in when you crank the engine. if it does the rubber lines at the pump and tank probly need to be replaced.
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Gregor1
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02-26-23 08:43 PM - Post#2855096
In response to Tony1963
I had an inline fuel pump on the shelf, so I rigged up a temporary fuel system, utilizing the windshield washer fluid tank for a fuel tank. I replaced the injectors, checked the TPS, and the air control valve, both seemed fine. I cranked it over and she started up. Ran better than I expected. It WAS working fine. Now I have suddenly lost all power to the injectors. Pump is still pumping fuel, but I have no power to the injectors. Fuses are all good. Read the OBD, no codes. Disconnected the battery. and reset PCM. Didn't help. Any ideas? Thanks Greg
P.S. If i jump 12V to the injectors, they work fine.
Edited by Gregor1 on 02-26-23 09:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Gregor1
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02-27-23 06:46 PM - Post#2855153
In response to Gregor1
I found the problem. After studying the wiring diagram for a bit, I reasoned the only thing it could be, was the P R N D L switch. ( is that how you spell that?) After playing with the shifter a while, power was restored to the injectors. Strange how it cut power tom the injectors, but not to the starter.
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Tony1963
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02-28-23 03:07 PM - Post#2855190
In response to Gregor1
Be careful. The computer system runs on 5V so do not connect 12V to the computer system. I do believe that the injectors use 12V.
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bobb
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03-01-23 08:45 AM - Post#2855209
In response to Gregor1
sounds hooky. if you have vats, the light on the dash should come on when not starting.
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Gregor1
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03-02-23 11:19 AM - Post#2855249
In response to Tony1963
Be careful. The computer system runs on 5V so do not connect 12V to the computer system. I do believe that the injectors use 12V.
Yes they are 12v. I have a new TB kit ordered.
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Gregor1
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 03-02-23 11:21 AM - Post#2855250
In response to bobb
sounds hooky. if you have vats, the light on the dash should come on when not starting.
I don't know. Maybe while doing other things, and messing with the shifter, I did something else to restore power.
P.S. Excuse my "stupid", what is VATS?
Looked it up. It does not have a VATS system
Edited by Gregor1 on 03-02-23 08:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Gregor1
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03-03-23 05:47 PM - Post#2855300
In response to Gregor1
The electric radiator fan on this Camaro, runs as soon as you turn on the key, and never shuts off. I have replaced the temp sensor by the thermostat, and the fan relay. I removed the wire from the temp sensor near the starter and grounded it. It makes no difference. Any ides
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Tony1963
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03-04-23 04:11 PM - Post#2855331
In response to Gregor1
VATS is the old theft-deterrent system used by GM.
https://www.popalock.com/2020/02/17/what-are-v ats-...
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bobb
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03-04-23 10:33 PM - Post#2855347
In response to Gregor1
a/c high pressure will turn the fan on too.
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Gregor1
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03-05-23 04:21 PM - Post#2855375
In response to bobb
a/c high pressure will turn the fan on too.
I wasn't sure about the AC system. I didn't know if that would affect the cooling fan nor not. Someone has removed all the Ac components from this car. All the plugs and wires are just hanging there. Maybe that's the problem. Thank You
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Gregor1
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03-12-23 07:45 AM - Post#2855673
In response to Gregor1
I am trying to figure out the heater hose routing on this '89 Camaro. There are no hoses connected to the heater core. There is a 3/4" hose connected to the top corner of radiator. It connects to a metal pipe, and takes off behind the motor. There is a 5/8" hose connected to a barbed fitting on the intake near distributor. It goes to the mixing valve. There are 2 more hoses on the mixing valve that connect to a metal pipe, and take off into unknown places. Any help? Thanks Greg
Edited by Gregor1 on 03-15-23 05:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bobb
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03-19-23 12:37 PM - Post#2855926
In response to Gregor1
im not familiar with, mixing valve. the hose at the rear of the engine may be the one supplying the heater core but i would not use it. usualy heater supply would come from the front of engine to get as hot as can. the valve you have may be an on off valve or bypass valve. top right of the rad may be output from heater core. without pics it hard to tell.
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