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Username Post: anyone Know of MN law regarding video recording harassment?        (Topic#369136)
VanLife 
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08-04-22 06:39 PM - Post#2845466    

Am in MN and I been wrongly trespassed from public library for a year because another person was recording vulnerable people me being one of them, in the public library where we have reasonable expectation of being safe from harm by others.

I told this person more than a dozen times to stop recording me. I was minding my own business when this started and realized I was being recorded.

This is a very dangerous thing to do to homeless people it makes us targets for retaliation if word gets out. and its NOT safe for us to be recorded while in public library and as a result it was always considered wrong to record other patrons while in library who are minding theeir own business and that MUST get permission first before recording us.

I do know this guy was violating the harassment law in MN because I feared for my safety and life I told him over and over to stop recording me I could not just up an leave I had electronic hardware that was mine setup and could not be packed up in seconds.

What is considered harassment in MN?
Minnesota Statutes Section 609.749 prohibits harassing another person by engaging in conduct that causes the victim to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated, regardless of the relationship between the harasser and victim.

What I do NEED to know is WHAT federal and state MN and library policies about video recording other patrons who are minding their own business and was NEVER asked for permission to record us. too many of us is hanger of getting killed if the wrong people see the video.

IF I can NOT get this trespass of a year over turn that was wrongly given I will not see spring. I won't survive this winter without access to library during the day. I almost did NOT survive the lock out of 2 and 1/2 years as is.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 


Mel Foye 
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08-04-22 09:37 PM - Post#2845480    
    In response to VanLife

They is something weird about recording in a library since is it not the land of SHUSH please.
While I often listen to the 5 voices in my head I don't think others can hear them.



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08-05-22 12:13 AM - Post#2845482    
    In response to VanLife

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08-05-22 10:27 AM - Post#2845502    
    In response to VanLife

Just go to another library?

I know most anywhere in public we all cannot expect to not be filmed or pictures taken, however say at grocery store etc, since they are not public but private property they could be told to stop filming while inside or out on the parking lot.

A public library I’m not sure, may be just like being out on a sidewalk or park.

At the Walmart in Queen Creek Arizona I go to often, a man with something wrong with his leg was shot several times going out to his car after shopping.

The man who shot him, did so because his mom and girlfriend had leg injuries, and he thought the victim caused them.

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Edited by 1965C-10 on 08-05-22 10:39 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mel Foye 
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08-05-22 02:30 PM - Post#2845515    
    In response to VanLife

Rather than a big state/federal law deal when you told the folks who running the place what did they say?



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08-05-22 06:02 PM - Post#2845520    
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https://www.homelessassistance.us/state/minnesota

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VanLife 
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08-06-22 03:14 PM - Post#2845547    
    In response to tommy49

rochester is NOT on the list. which is ironic.

going elsewhere doesn't work it has to do with being an outsider and NO ONE wants a homeless outsider in their community.

I just talked to the lake city police department and they were frank with me The community would force them to harass me ever single day till I leave. OR they would get fired for not doing their job. even thought hey were and knew I was NOT trouble.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 
VanLife 
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08-06-22 03:36 PM - Post#2845548    
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I honestly can NOT accurately tell you what was said to me by management. what I heard is different than the actions taken.

need to keep in mind this management is very liberal. like to the extreme.

There is NO clear code of conduct posted anywhere.
first rule is respect staff. second rule is follow instructions.

suppose to have the same instructions for everyone thus why it MUST be posted physically where it can be seen when entering. but when its written as follow instructions that literally means anything they think of on the fly and thus in turn discriminate by making unfair rules that apply to you and no one else. and that is a real problem for those who are in protected classes like disability.

problem is for government to trespass they need a clear violation of a code of conduct with clearly defined boundries.

What does respect staff even mean? I was respecting staff as far as I could tell.

disruption.

but the big issue is There was a almost total failure to communicate to me in a way I understood due to my being speech deaf. and MISS almost everything is NOT done right and they forced me to communicate in audism even after it was obvious I was NOT hearing them correctly.

THis is way bigger than this incident that is why I need to know the laws relevant. because its going to be a legal fight to get access back they were only using this as an excuse to implement a perminent trespass. which is NOT even legal.

what they do is FAIL to provide a clear code of conduct so you break the rules at their whim where you have NO IDEA what rules you just broke OR how you were being disrespectful etc. its made up on the fly. because they are NOT pointing to rule that has a clear boundry that is easily understood at first reading.

I been begging for over 2 years to get them to pose a clear code of conduct like we had pre pandemic.

the thing is if it was anyone else like a woman or child being recorded they would stepped in told them stop recording on the spot. and that they were jeperdizing their safety.

but when its a white man who getting recorded then all of sudden there no danger to the person being recorded. which is total garbage. I have already had another patron give me a death threat about my using the library as a disabled homeless. where they did it off library property.

SO I know people as fact have it in for disabled homeless using libraries. AND I DO NOT want to be exposed to some random joe on internet which is a medium and NOT a public space.

part of the big issue is people are confusing the difference between real world public space and the internet medium they are NOT the same thing.

If you record for yourself and NOT share it with anyone its fine. because its kept to the person who physically saw you in that public space. AKA no expectation of privacy in public. THIS WAS THE WAY IT WAS PRIOR TO INTERNET.

the problem is once its uploaded to the internet the dynamics change your not being exposed to "in person public" to which you have no right to privacy who would see you with their own eyes

your NOW being exposed to the people who would NEVER SEE YOU IN PUBLIC PLACE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PHYSICALLY THERE TO SEE YOU.

Over the pond they already recognize this distinction.

BUT here they are trying to claim internet is a public place. WHEN THE TOP COURTS HAVE SAID ITS A MEDIUM NOT A PUBLIC PLACE. when claiming a person has right to record in public. they do but the problem is who stops at just recording? it gets UPLOADED to their tik tok face book etc. so people who never will go into local library is NOW seeing you that you have a reasonable expectation to not be seen by. because your NOT uploading videos of yourself nor giving permission to like news agency to air us. etc.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


Edited by VanLife on 08-06-22 03:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
VanLife 
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08-06-22 03:55 PM - Post#2845550    
    In response to VanLife

they don't want to stop the video recording of others because its their main tool for libreral social justice.

problem is the technology is being abused and its being used to cause extreme harasment and even death. as being demonstrated in my personal situation where I fear for my life now and KNOW as fact I will not survive through winter. because other communities will not let me be present at the level I need to survive.

other problem is because the problem is so prevalent and so many people are doing it they don't even realize they are committing harasment crimes. it their so called pursuit of free speech.

and its having deadly consiquences for those of us who are vulnerable and have NO way to get out of the local public eye we are

we need safe protection from the people on the internet because they are not there to witness it personally and thus will never harrass you or try to kill you because they don't even know you exist if NOT for the uploading of photos or videos by other people who have not gotten your permission to upload it they have NO fear of retaliation by the public because its their victims in the videos they shot that gets all the grief and retaliation to point people will call local law enforcement and swat you or come directly to do you harm.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 
VanLife 
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08-06-22 04:01 PM - Post#2845553    
    In response to VanLife

for my own safety I been literally forced to flee rochester. am currently floating along the mississippi river area. my van can't even handle it. too many miles in too rough of terrain.

I can't leave MN due to medical insurance coverage. AND I need to be able to access rochester to pay insurance post office box title for van renewal of drivers licence which has to be done in april. and storage unit is there I can't risk losing that property in storage unit there no starting over if I lose it.

AND I am likely to lose communication shortly being I am using a loaner laptop from library. and with my being trespassed I suspect they want it back. but won't know for sure till monday or later.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 


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