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Username Post: Hi Everybody        (Topic#369092)
Jack Crain 
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Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-01-22 05:47 AM - Post#2845272    

Hi Everyone, it's been awhile.
I still have the 46 Fleetmaster but not driving it much lately, Life got in the way and and I had to put it aside for awhile.
Now, I'm back to driving it.
I do have a question for yall. I converted to 12 volts a few thousand miles ago. Everything worked fine. I kept the 6 volt starter and it was fine, until now. After sitting about a year, the battery died and I tried to recharge it. overnight. The next day, I tried to start it and absouly nothing when I pressed the starter.. Since I had juice to the instument panel and the radio, I assumed it was the starter, or the switch on top of the starter. I pulled the battery to get to the starter and found the battery box full of battery acid so, off to the battery store for a new battery. I installed the new battery and the 46 fired right up like it was supposed to, About two turns of the crankshaft then purred like a kitten.
The next day, I fired it up and headed off to twn to get an oilchane and State inspection. After the oil was changed, the guy working there fired her up to check for whatever they check and no problems. I paid for the oilchange and inpsection,got in, turn the key on pressed the staerter button then nothing. I tried three or four times but it was like the battery wasn't even hooked up.
My question is, can the starter get a "Dead Spot" on it, does it sound like the the starter switch on top of the starter? I got the car home and it still won't crank when I push the starter.

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


Edited by Jack Crain on 08-01-22 01:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


dkcoupe 
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Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Reg: 08-16-11
08-03-22 08:55 AM - Post#2845384    
    In response to Jack Crain

When it won't start, look for the terminal on your solenoid that comes from the start button. Then touch a piece of wire from there to a good ground with the key on. Perhaps your button isn't always making a connection. This will prove or eliminate that.



 
Jack Crain 
Contributor
Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-03-22 03:48 PM - Post#2845401    
    In response to dkcoupe

My 46 has the foot starter. I wish i had one that would work from the dash but .....

Here's a link to what I have sitting on the starter, and it's activated by a foot pedal just to the right of accelerator.

https://www.chevsofthe40s.com/detail/10641/Chevrol...


oh, when I turn the switch on, all my dash lights and gas gauge work. When I push the foot switch, all lights go dim and gas gauge drops.

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Keith_Knox 81
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Keith_Knox
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Loc: Napa, Ca USA
Reg: 04-02-00
08-03-22 03:52 PM - Post#2845402    
    In response to Jack Crain

It would be a floor starter, that you push with your foot. I would guess the starter switch on top of the starter. The copper to copper connectors do get carboned up. The switch is available from the normal suppliers.

29-41, 42-48, 49-54 Moderator
1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1965 Chevy II 2 door post 350 3 speed manual
2019 Ford Ranger Lariat Super Crewcab


 
Jack Crain 
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Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-04-22 02:16 PM - Post#2845447    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Thanks Keith, Have you ever changed one? It looks like two screws holds it on but I am sure some surprise will be waiting under the cover

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Keith_Knox 81
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Keith_Knox
Age: 81
Loc: Napa, Ca USA
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08-04-22 05:26 PM - Post#2845462    
    In response to Jack Crain

I changed one, but didn't use the starter. It is a simple change out. I had the starter on the bench. Just went out and looked at my 48. Looks like you can change it with the starter still in the car. The battery box is kind of in the way.

29-41, 42-48, 49-54 Moderator
1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1965 Chevy II 2 door post 350 3 speed manual
2019 Ford Ranger Lariat Super Crewcab


 
Jack Crain 
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Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-05-22 04:45 AM - Post#2845485    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Thanks, that looks like a weekend job. I hope that's all that's wrong.
Arthritis is setting in so I'll pull the starter.

I'll let you know how it went.

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Jack Crain 
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Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-13-22 01:20 PM - Post#2845872    
    In response to Jack Crain

Well, I installed a new switch and when I tried to start it , it sort of growled for a second or two then all went dead. I stuck a charger on the battery, got it all charged up and tried again, same results. Now, nothing works when I turn on the key. My neighbor ,joking, said it's easier to get to the alternator to charge so I hook up the positive clip to the alternator and grounded the neg. clip, Radio came on, windshield wipers started swinging and blinkers started blinking. I reached in turn turn off the key and notice the gas gauge was reading about half a tank and the electronic speedometer light was on. I turned all that stuff off, took the charger off the alternator, hooked it back to the battery and the charge finished light came on. I turned the key on, all acted normal. I pushed the starter button down and all went dead again. I don't have much hair left so I refrained from pulling my hair but this is getting strange. I did the alternator thing again and just like the first time, it reset everything connected with the key. Does anybody have any suggestions, answers, questions comments, etc. I am thinking after 10 years on 12 volts, my starter fried but the reset with the power on the alternator has me puzzled.
Oh, the motor never did even try to spin.

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Keith_Knox 81
Member #189 Moderator and "20th Year" Platinum Supporting Member
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Keith_Knox
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Loc: Napa, Ca USA
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08-14-22 12:09 PM - Post#2845911    
    In response to Jack Crain

Yes Jack. It sounds like the starter it self has a problem.

29-41, 42-48, 49-54 Moderator
1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1965 Chevy II 2 door post 350 3 speed manual
2019 Ford Ranger Lariat Super Crewcab


 
Jack Crain 
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Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-14-22 01:55 PM - Post#2845913    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Yeah, Tomorrow I'll check with a local rebuild shop I have a starter off of a 50 Chevy with a RLS (Real Live Solenoid) But it looks like it has spent the last 20 years in a mud hole. I would like to get that one rebuilt and put a 12 volt solenoid on it but will probable have to get the foot starter rebuilt.

Man, I love these old Chevies. Just when you think you got them figured out...........

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Jack Crain 
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Posts: 888

Loc: Wichita Falls, Texas
Reg: 07-24-11
08-17-22 11:20 AM - Post#2846036    
    In response to Jack Crain

Well, I got my 46 up and running, for now. I wound up putting an old starter I had laying in the scrap pile. I had ordered a nice converted 12 volt starter with 12 volt solenoid. Price was $198. It came out of Dallas so it was an overnite delivery. I went to Autozone and got me a starter button, drilled a hole for it right beside the Headlight know. Looks great
I took the old starter of and tried to install the new one. @#$%^ solenoid was about 5 degrees off. To make it fit I would have to cut about one and a half inches off of my battery box, and get into the brace at the bottom. I then would still have to rotate my battery 90 degrees from where it sits so I called the guy I got it from and he said he had not run into that problem, so send it back for a full refund, and, he paid shipping both ways. A really decent guy. Anyway, I went to the scrap pile to look for something else and noticed an old foot started laying there. I cleaned it up a little hit it with some battery cable and she spun up. I installed the junk starter, hooked up the battery, Stomped the knob and the 46 roared to life. I was amazed, I shut it of, and started it again, and again, and again.... Looks like I had what I needed from the beginning.
Oh, the thing about the alternator... Turns out the starter was robbing all the juice from the battery and when I put 12 volts to the alternator, the spark knocked the "weld spot" in the old starter loose.
I got it working for now,but since the starter that is installed has questionable history, I'll take it to a rebuild shop and get it looked at.

Man, I love these old Chevies, they keep you on your toes!

1946 Fleetmaster 4-dr Sedan with '57 235
Fenton Dual Exhaust and Intake
Dual Carter Webbers 2 barrel Carbs
HEI ignition
Front Disk Brake
T-5 Tranny


 
Keith_Knox 81
Member #189 Moderator and "20th Year" Platinum Supporting Member
Posts: 6910
Keith_Knox
Age: 81
Loc: Napa, Ca USA
Reg: 04-02-00
08-17-22 11:52 AM - Post#2846037    
    In response to Jack Crain

Glad you got it figured out and it is now starting.

29-41, 42-48, 49-54 Moderator
1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1965 Chevy II 2 door post 350 3 speed manual
2019 Ford Ranger Lariat Super Crewcab


 


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