American Auto Wire
Username Post: 1963 Impala Engine and headlight harnesses        (Topic#367549)
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
01-27-22 10:13 AM - Post#2835306    

Donny, just checking on availability and lead times for 2 harnesses. This is for my 1963 Parisienne 409, I have a good stock dash harness but need to upgrade these 2 harnesses. My car has the same idiot lights and gas gauge as the 63 impala, but it has a dash battery gauge that I won’t use.

1. Headlight harness- I have an internal regulated alternator so harness CF50142DI looks correct. Is this in stock?
2. Engine harness for the 409- I also have a mini hi torque starter and Pertronics, everything else stock. Is CF40210H correct, it’s for hei. Can you modify for the starter? Timing to ship?

I have a Painless wiring setup now, I hate it and have a very good used dash harness to replace it with- from a low mileage 1963 Parisienne. The Painless was in the car when I got it but some things are not hooked up and I’d rather have stock so I need the engine and headlight harness to do the conversion.

I will have to add to the dash harness to supply 12V to the Pertronics, it is a 283 dash harness so has the resistor wiring to the points setup.

Thanks for any help.

Don

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
Member #2194


Edited by DonSSDD on 01-27-22 10:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
01-29-22 08:01 PM - Post#2835409    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
Donny, just checking on availability and lead times for 2 harnesses. This is for my 1963 Parisienne 409, I have a good stock dash harness but need to upgrade these 2 harnesses. My car has the same idiot lights and gas gauge as the 63 impala, but it has a dash battery gauge that I won’t use.

1. Headlight harness- I have an internal regulated alternator so harness CF50142DI looks correct. Is this in stock?
2. Engine harness for the 409- I also have a mini hi torque starter and Pertronics, everything else stock. Is CF40210H correct, it’s for hei. Can you modify for the starter? Timing to ship?

I have a Painless wiring setup now, I hate it and have a very good used dash harness to replace it with- from a low mileage 1963 Parisienne. The Painless was in the car when I got it but some things are not hooked up and I’d rather have stock so I need the engine and headlight harness to do the conversion.

I will have to add to the dash harness to supply 12V to the Pertronics, it is a 283 dash harness so has the resistor wiring to the points setup.

Thanks for any help.

Don



Hi Don,

The Impala harnesses will not fit the Parisiene, they are very different and were totally hybrid. Different locations such on take-offs, different indexing at the main connector. We, nor anyone else makes what you are looking for unfortunately. We don't have the Blueprints for any of the Canadian stuff (Parisienne, Beaumont, Acadian).

Donny




Edited by Donny on 01-29-22 08:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
01-31-22 09:25 AM - Post#2835485    
    In response to Donny

Donny, I have wiring diagrams for both the 63 Chev V8 and 63 Pontiac V8, I have compared the firewall connectors for both and the only real difference is the Pontiac uses all 8 connections on the engine harness whereas the Chev does not use the bottom right plug/connector as shown in the wiring diagrams in the 1963 Chev assembly manual. The extra plug/connector in the Pontiac is used to directly wire the BATT terminal on the starter, whereas the Chev BATT terminal is fed directly from the + battery post.

If I plug your stock engine harness plug into the Pontiac firewall plug, it will do nothing since you have no wire there, which is fine. I currently have my starter wired to the BATT from the + terminal, which is how your stock harness will work.

The 409 in my car came out of my 62 Chev. It had your complete harness in the car, headlight, engine, and dash harnesses. It had the same alternator, distributor, Pertronics, coil, mini hi-torque starter, all the electrical is the same outside the firewall. Even the heater and 2 speed wiper washer in my Pontiac is identical to that in the 63 Chev.

The headlight harness has the same connections and colour codes as the Chevy. Basically all I want for these 2 harnesses is what I got from you before for my 62 Chev, but for a 63, I don't see a risk to me and if you see a risk to you, I am prepared to sign a waiver or whatever? If you still have a record of my previous order from back about 2014-2015, that would work.

Thanks Donny for any help. I see you are working late on a weekend so I assume you are very busy.

Thanks,
Don

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
Member #2194


Edited by DonSSDD on 01-31-22 09:34 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
01-31-22 10:31 AM - Post#2835492    
    In response to DonSSDD

Donny, 1 main difference in the stock electrical between the 2 is the external voltage regulators are quite different, I have eliminated that as an issue by going to the internally regulated alternator?

Headlight and wiper switches are the same.

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
Member #2194


 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
02-08-22 09:00 PM - Post#2835917    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
Donny, I have wiring diagrams for both the 63 Chev V8 and 63 Pontiac V8, I have compared the firewall connectors for both and the only real difference is the Pontiac uses all 8 connections on the engine harness whereas the Chev does not use the bottom right plug/connector as shown in the wiring diagrams in the 1963 Chev assembly manual. The extra plug/connector in the Pontiac is used to directly wire the BATT terminal on the starter, whereas the Chev BATT terminal is fed directly from the + battery post.

If I plug your stock engine harness plug into the Pontiac firewall plug, it will do nothing since you have no wire there, which is fine. I currently have my starter wired to the BATT from the + terminal, which is how your stock harness will work.

The 409 in my car came out of my 62 Chev. It had your complete harness in the car, headlight, engine, and dash harnesses. It had the same alternator, distributor, Pertronics, coil, mini hi-torque starter, all the electrical is the same outside the firewall. Even the heater and 2 speed wiper washer in my Pontiac is identical to that in the 63 Chev.

The headlight harness has the same connections and colour codes as the Chevy. Basically all I want for these 2 harnesses is what I got from you before for my 62 Chev, but for a 63, I don't see a risk to me and if you see a risk to you, I am prepared to sign a waiver or whatever? If you still have a record of my previous order from back about 2014-2015, that would work.

Thanks Donny for any help. I see you are working late on a weekend so I assume you are very busy.

Thanks,
Don



Don, we will he happy to sell you whatever you wish, but I'm telling you, they are not even remotely close. Back when I had time, many years ago with the company, I built several Parisienne and Beaumont harnesses for customers. The take offs are different, the parking lamp connections are different, etc. If you just want a 63 409 engine harness set up for HEI (petronix uses 12V, not resistance wire), and a Impala F/L harness with internally regulated alternator, so be it. Once you start cutting and modifying things, we will not help or be responsible. As long as you understand our position, we are good. You'll have to contact me at the office Tuesdays or Thursdays as those are the only days that I am guaranteed to be in the office (ext. 216) as your old order will be archived and not accessible to me.

Donny




 
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
02-17-22 10:10 AM - Post#2836433    
    In response to Donny

Thanks Donny.

I compared my Parisienne to the wiring for a 63 Chev, I have my park lights in the bumper so a 63 harness may be too short as well as the parking lamps having different connectors. I looked at the64 Chev harness, the 64 has the park lights in the bumper like the 63 Parisienne. It may work but I think I’ll stay with my Painless harness for now.

The Parisienne stock engine and headlight harnesses line up very well with the 63 and 64 Chev harnesses other than some colours, especially with the alternator conversion. If I didn’t have a harness at all, I’d buy these 2 from you and make them work easily I think.

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
Member #2194


 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
02-18-22 12:46 PM - Post#2836491    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
Thanks Donny.

I compared my Parisienne to the wiring for a 63 Chev, I have my park lights in the bumper so a 63 harness may be too short as well as the parking lamps having different connectors. I looked at the64 Chev harness, the 64 has the park lights in the bumper like the 63 Parisienne. It may work but I think I’ll stay with my Painless harness for now.

The Parisienne stock engine and headlight harnesses line up very well with the 63 and 64 Chev harnesses other than some colours, especially with the alternator conversion. If I didn’t have a harness at all, I’d buy these 2 from you and make them work easily I think.



The 64 stuff won't work either as the bulkhead connectors are completely different (8 cavities on the 63 vs. 10 cavities on the 64).

Donny



 
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
02-22-22 05:45 AM - Post#2836696    
    In response to Donny

I found this wiring diagram on the Old Car Manual project and it showed 8 connectors for a 1964, is it wrong?





 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
02-25-22 08:16 PM - Post#2837012    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
I found this wiring diagram on the Old Car Manual project and it showed 8 connectors for a 1964, is it wrong?

Yes, it's wrong. The 63 had 8 pins, 64 has 10. Unless, as I've been saying all along, the Parisienne id completely different

Donny








 
DonSSDD 
Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 7803
DonSSDD
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
Reg: 08-21-01
03-02-22 12:49 AM - Post#2837260    
    In response to Donny

I’m obviously no expert on 64’s and based my comparison on this incorrect 64 Chevrolet wiring harness drawing from the Old Car Manual Project. I had no idea the 63 Chevy had 10 pins in the firewall connectors.



63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
Member #2194


Edited by DonSSDD on 03-02-22 12:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
03-03-22 08:43 PM - Post#2837445    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
I’m obviously no expert on 64’s and based my comparison on this incorrect 64 Chevrolet wiring harness drawing from the Old Car Manual Project. I had no idea the 63 Chevy had 10 pins in the firewall connectors.





Sorry, but your images aren't loading here so I can't see what you're seeing. As far as the architecture, it's just the opposite Don. 61-3 used the smaller bulkhead with 8 cavities in either side. The 64 is a 1 year only bulkhead and used 10 cavities per side.

Donny





Edited by Donny on 03-04-22 10:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tony 
Founder & Grand PoohBah
Posts: 18845
Tony
Age: 65
Loc: Orange County CA.
Reg: 03-15-99
03-04-22 12:09 AM - Post#2837458    
    In response to Donny



Attachment: MWireChev64_3WD-075.jpg (325.71 KB) 50 View(s)




Happy with the help and support you got here?
Click >>here<< to become a Supporting Member or Donate







 
Donny 
American Auto Wire - Site Sponsor
Posts: 5193

Loc: Bellmawr, NJ
Reg: 09-11-06
03-04-22 10:27 PM - Post#2837510    
    In response to Tony

  • Tony Said:




Thanks Tony!

Don, I did not check the indexing, but that schematic is NOT correct at all. It only shows 8 pins in each side of the connector, and as I said before, check your 64 bulkhead connectors...... They all have 10 pins, 100%.

Donny



 
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

2597 Views
FusionBB
FusionBB™ Version 2.1
©2003-2006 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.193 seconds.   Total Queries: 17   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0800) Pacific. Current time is 06:41 PM
Top