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Username Post: 1961 Impala Super Sport?        (Topic#367453)
Tony1963 
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01-14-22 02:53 PM - Post#2834541    

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203788710929?hash =item2f7...



 


Carl1962 
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01-14-22 06:10 PM - Post#2834551    
    In response to Tony1963

Can't be real, the VIN is way too early for a SS built at Norwood.

Cheers, Carl.

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Edited by Carl1962 on 01-14-22 06:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
japete92 
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01-14-22 06:30 PM - Post#2834552    
    In response to Carl1962

  • Carl1962 Said:
Can't be real, the VIN is way too early for a SS built at Norwood.



Carl,

Perhaps those interested can get what they need regarding this topic from some of the previous similar discussions.

From 2018:

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...

from 2021:

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...


I really miss Verne

Pete





Edited by japete92 on 01-14-22 06:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tony1963 
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01-15-22 06:05 AM - Post#2834562    
    In response to japete92

I find myself always looking for the cross flags behind the grab bar.

Some say yes, they are part of the SS package, others say no. There is no consistent answer there.

Nice looking car nonetheless.



 
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01-15-22 09:21 AM - Post#2834572    
    In response to Tony1963

It is interesting there are no pictures of the cowl tag.

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DZAUTO 
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01-15-22 11:45 AM - Post#2834584    
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I don't care how you shake it----------------FROM THE PICTURES, the car is an outstanding example (YA, maybe it's a clone--------------so?) of a 61SS. I do not have the cash (and never will), but I'd own it in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A 61SS is my all time favorite of 58-64 models (WELL,maybe except for a Z11). It would take 2 seconds for me to park it between the 56 Vette and 70 Chevelle. I might even let it get close to the 51 or the Cutlass.



 
Tony1963 
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01-15-22 03:28 PM - Post#2834598    
    In response to DZAUTO

I agree with you. I don't think that the market much cares anymore either because the cost to build one is where the value is.

Look at the prices and these things change hands regularly. I've said this before and if you cannot document the vehicle from the moment it left the factory then who cares? A nice ride is a nice ride.



 
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01-15-22 05:56 PM - Post#2834600    
    In response to Tony1963

Real or not, based on the pics, excellent detailed restoration was done, lotta money was spent.



 
Carl1962 
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01-15-22 07:54 PM - Post#2834608    
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It's a nice car, but why make it a fake SS, why not leave it as a very nice Impala??? I've checked my records and the VIN is for a car built at Norwood in mid October 1960, 4 months before the option was even offered. It's probably why the seller hasn't posted a photo of the cowl tag (if it's original) and if it has a reproduction cowl tag with a later date code then it'll be obvious to me, but probably not an unsuspecting cashed-up rube.

It might have been fitted with SS bits by the first owner, which was common after the SS option became available because people could buy the SS stuff over the counter at the parts department of their local Chevy dealer, and fit it to their car. It's also the reason why there are so many non-original 61 SS. It might even be an original 348 car, which the cowl tag will confirm, but it can't be an SS.

Cheers, Carl.

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Tony1963 
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01-16-22 05:05 AM - Post#2834620    
    In response to Carl1962

I've checked my records and the VIN is for a car built at Norwood in mid October 1960, 4 months before the option was even offered.

It would be reasonable for Chevrolet, back in the day, to start production of a certain model before it is announced. The lead time needed to get vehicles assembled and transported to dealers would tell me that 4 months would be about right.

I do not see disqualifying the vehicle based upon a build date within 4 months of the announcement as a reason to declare it a fake.

I'm wondering about those cross flags behind the grab bar.



 
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01-16-22 06:38 AM - Post#2834623    
    In response to Tony1963

  • Mercedes Said:
I've checked my records and the VIN is for a car built at Norwood in mid October 1960, 4 months before the option was even offered.

It would be reasonable for Chevrolet, back in the day, to start production of a certain model before it is announced. The lead time needed to get vehicles assembled and transported to dealers would tell me that 4 months would be about right.

I do not see disqualifying the vehicle based upon a build date within 4 months of the announcement as a reason to declare it a fake.

I'm wondering about those cross flags behind the grab bar.



Anecdotal, pure speculation.

Carl deals in trim tags and numbers and dates.

As far as the flags behind the grab bar, anecdotally I’ve read that was on some early models. That’s from my lousy memory but it’s not speculation. Having or not having the flags doesn’t seem to prove anything about a car being a Real SS.

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Tony1963 
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01-16-22 07:03 AM - Post#2834625    
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https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...



 
japete92 
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01-16-22 09:37 AM - Post#2834635    
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I am replying to myself because I won't get offended.

'Junky' (who posts on this forum frequently) 'signs' all his posts with:


'Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.'


I won't plagiarize the words, but I applaud the concept.

Pete




 
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01-16-22 03:15 PM - Post#2834659    
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The car does not have power steering or brakes. These two items were part of the true SS package. I think Carl is correct. No picture of the cowl tag makes it difficult to verify. I would drive it too . If I could afford to buy it, I would have to verify the car as the real thing for that asking price. As far as the timing of when option was announced and when production was started, it would not take very long to build quite a few SS’s, providing the assembly plants had the parts.



 
Tony1963 
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01-16-22 03:37 PM - Post#2834660    
    In response to blkss64

Interesting point. No padded dash, either.



 
DZAUTO 
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01-16-22 05:06 PM - Post#2834664    
    In response to Carl1962

  • Carl1962 Said:
It's a nice car, but why make it a fake SS, why not leave it as a very nice Impala??? I've checked my records and the VIN is for a car built at Norwood in mid October 1960, 4 months before the option was even offered. It's probably why the seller hasn't posted a photo of the cowl tag (if it's original) and if it has a reproduction cowl tag with a later date code then it'll be obvious to me, but probably not an unsuspecting cashed-up rube.

It might have been fitted with SS bits by the first owner, which was common after the SS option became available because people could buy the SS stuff over the counter at the parts department of their local Chevy dealer, and fit it to their car. It's also the reason why there are so many non-original 61 SS. It might even be an original 348 car, which the cowl tag will confirm, but it can't be an SS.



Before I go on to further responses to your comment, tell me what your take is on my 1956 Corvette.


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Carl1962 
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01-16-22 06:51 PM - Post#2834667    
    In response to DZAUTO

  • Quote:
Before I go on to further responses to your comment, tell me what your take is on my 1956 Corvette.


It's red, but that's about all I know about Corvettes. My research is purely into 59-63 full size Chevy's.

Cheers, Carl.

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Edited by Carl1962 on 01-16-22 06:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
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01-16-22 07:04 PM - Post#2834668    
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It is a 1956 Corvette.
It has Rochester fuel injection.
It has Fuel Injection emblems.
It has the dog dish caps, indicating it has the wider wheels which were required with the heavy duty brake and suspension option.

Fuel injection was not available until 1957.
Wide wheels with dog dish caps was not available until 1957.
HD brakes and suspension were not available until 1957.
Thus, my car has options and emblems on it that were not available in 1956.

Regarding NON SS 1961 Impalas with SS equipment and emblems, I see no issue with that-------------UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS it is fraudulently offered for sale as authentic and genuine.
Several years ago I tried to buy a 1961 Impala, several times with no success, with a 283 2bl and 3sp on the column. Black with black/red interior. It would been the perfect platform to be cloned into an SS 409, which I would have done with ZERO hesitation.
If a person wants to clone a particular car into what could have been built by GM, as long as it's not fraudulently claimed to be the real thing, I'm OK with it.

People who are familiar with early Corvettes, and see my 56 Corvette with fuel injection and emblems, usually realize it is a "built" FI car because the license plate indicates it is a 56 and not a 57. I don't try to mislead anyone.




 
Carl1962 
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01-16-22 07:43 PM - Post#2834673    
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  • DZAUTO Said:
It is a 1956 Corvette.
It has Rochester fuel injection.
It has Fuel Injection emblems.
It has the dog dish caps, indicating it has the wider wheels which were required with the heavy duty brake and suspension option.

Fuel injection was not available until 1957.
Wide wheels with dog dish caps was not available until 1957.
HD brakes and suspension were not available until 1957.
Thus, my car has options and emblems on it that were not available in 1956.

Regarding NON SS 1961 Impalas with SS equipment and emblems, I see no issue with that-------------UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS it is fraudulently offered for sale as authentic and genuine.
Several years ago I tried to buy a 1961 Impala, several times with no success, with a 283 2bl and 3sp on the column. Black with black/red interior. It would been the perfect platform to be cloned into an SS 409, which I would have done with ZERO hesitation.
If a person wants to clone a particular car into what could have been built by GM, as long as it's not fraudulently claimed to be the real thing, I'm OK with it.

People who are familiar with early Corvettes, and see my 56 Corvette with fuel injection and emblems, usually realize it is a "built" FI car because the license plate indicates it is a 56 and not a 57. I don't try to mislead anyone.




I've read previous posts where you have detailed aspects of your "built" Corvette, and have no issue with the modifications because it's your car to do as you wish. I especially note that you are not claiming it to be something that it is not. A less scrupulous owner might claim it's a one-off special build 56 Corvette that Chevrolet did before 57 production to test the FI and bigger wheels, and then they might do up a nice set of documentation to back up their claim....

In regards to the 61 that started this thread, it IS being fraudulently claimed to be the real thing because the ad clearly says it IS an SS but the VIN would indicate otherwise. A photo of the cowl tag would assist because I know what codes should be on the original cowl tag of a 61 SS built at Norwood and if those are missing, it will confirm that it isn't an original SS. Because no tag has been provided, I'll continue to believe that it's not an SS.

If you had bought the black 61 you referred to and put SS stuff on it, but called it a "tribute" or "clone" I wouldn't have a problem, but if you didn't modify the cowl tag, it would be easy to tell anyway. I also only have an issue when an owner fraudulently claims a car to be the real thing.

Cheers, Carl.

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01-16-22 08:55 PM - Post#2834677    
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People selling clones as genuine, factory SS/409/4-speed/fuelie/etc . etc., really get my goat. The guy selling the '61 obviously knows it's fake, or else he'd show the cowl tag. And how about some pre-restoration pictures?

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
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01-16-22 09:06 PM - Post#2834678    
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  • Carl1962 Said:
  • DZAUTO Said:
It is a 1956 Corvette.
It has Rochester fuel injection.
It has Fuel Injection emblems.
It has the dog dish caps, indicating it has the wider wheels which were required with the heavy duty brake and suspension option.

Fuel injection was not available until 1957.
Wide wheels with dog dish caps was not available until 1957.
HD brakes and suspension were not available until 1957.
Thus, my car has options and emblems on it that were not available in 1956.

Regarding NON SS 1961 Impalas with SS equipment and emblems, I see no issue with that-------------UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS it is fraudulently offered for sale as authentic and genuine.
Several years ago I tried to buy a 1961 Impala, several times with no success, with a 283 2bl and 3sp on the column. Black with black/red interior. It would been the perfect platform to be cloned into an SS 409, which I would have done with ZERO hesitation.
If a person wants to clone a particular car into what could have been built by GM, as long as it's not fraudulently claimed to be the real thing, I'm OK with it.

People who are familiar with early Corvettes, and see my 56 Corvette with fuel injection and emblems, usually realize it is a "built" FI car because the license plate indicates it is a 56 and not a 57. I don't try to mislead anyone.




I've read previous posts where you have detailed aspects of your "built" Corvette, and have no issue with the modifications because it's your car to do as you wish. I especially note that you are not claiming it to be something that it is not. A less scrupulous owner might claim it's a one-off special build 56 Corvette that Chevrolet did before 57 production to test the FI and bigger wheels, and then they might do up a nice set of documentation to back up their claim....

In regards to the 61 that started this thread, it IS being fraudulently claimed to be the real thing because the ad clearly says it IS an SS but the VIN would indicate otherwise. A photo of the cowl tag would assist because I know what codes should be on the original cowl tag of a 61 SS built at Norwood and if those are missing, it will confirm that it isn't an original SS. Because no tag has been provided, I'll continue to believe that it's not an SS.

If you had bought the black 61 you referred to and put SS stuff on it, but called it a "tribute" or "clone" I wouldn't have a problem, but if you didn't modify the cowl tag, it would be easy to tell anyway. I also only have an issue when an owner fraudulently claims a car to be the real thing.



And you are TOTALLY, 100% correct in every aspect. I also am in disapproval of it being claimed to be the real deal, but I love its replicated construction------------- --MY KIND OF CAR!

NO ONE, repeat, NO ONE will ever be able to pass off the 56 as a one of a kind prototype 56 with FI.
When I can no longer drive it, it will be parked in a field, gasoline poured all over it and set on fire.
Yes, I'm as serious as a heart attack.



 
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01-16-22 09:38 PM - Post#2834680    
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  • DZAUTO Said:
NO ONE, repeat, NO ONE will ever be able to pass off the 56 as a one of a kind prototype 56 with FI.
When I can no longer drive it, it will be parked in a field, gasoline poured all over it and set on fire.
Yes, I'm as serious as a heart attack.



Well that's a bit extreme, you could give it to me and I'll bang gears in it and enjoy the hell out of it, and then I'll promise to set it on fire when I can no longer drive it.

Cheers, Carl.

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01-16-22 09:52 PM - Post#2834682    
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I also would love to bang the gears and enjoy it, but the only thing I could burn would be the rear tires if I had it. It should be enjoyed by someone after my passing. Beautiful car!!!
Ron

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1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
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01-17-22 06:41 AM - Post#2834688    
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01-17-22 07:30 AM - Post#2834692    
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Are you nuts Tom? Burning that car? I have no words....

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
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01-17-22 08:11 AM - Post#2834697    
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I trust no one with any of my stuff-----------------not even my mother------------------- -and she is dead.
My son's careful treatment of the T-bucket was the ultimate confirmation of that.

And I'm getting concerned about what we will do with the A26 when we can no longer fly it. I guess just point it straight down about 400mph.

The Chevelle actually belongs to my wife, so I guess she can do whatever she wants with it. The Cutlass is already promised to my oldest son.



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01-17-22 10:04 AM - Post#2834704    
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Tom, if your really serious you could do a strafing run on the vette, . I'm so sorry to see the T in that shape , I know they can get squirrely if too much gas is given. So sad



 
Carl1962 
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01-17-22 02:02 PM - Post#2834721    
    In response to del.impala

The controversy is settled. The seller of the 61 that started this thread sent me a photo of the cowl tag last night and the car was built in the 3rd week October 60 and was originally a 283 car. It was not even a 348 car, let alone a numbers-matching SS. The seller did not tell me any of this, but the codes speak for themselves.

The tag is original, but has been removed and refitted with new rivets, presumably during restoration. It's a very nice car but I will be recording this as a confirmed fake 61 SS.

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Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
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Edited by Carl1962 on 01-17-22 02:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-17-22 02:36 PM - Post#2834725    
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Funny thing is that they only made 453 real '61 SS cars. I would say about half did not survive through the years. That leaves us some where around 226 of them.

Of course this is just a wild guess, but I wouldn't doubt if there were over 500 of them today, if not more.

I'm also a hater of fakes claiming to be real.

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