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Username Post: Canadian Built 62 Chevy Biscayne        (Topic#366651)
moparmusclecars 
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10-09-21 04:28 PM - Post#2828889    

Purchased a 62 Biscayne from an old Farmer that has had this car sitting for at least a decade at his place. An old Friend basically abandoned it there, and told him to do what he wanted with it. Owner from Canada never had a title and claims he had bought it back in the day with a simple bill of sale. Farmer gave me a bill of sale and signed it. Vin tag says GM of Canada. Do you think I will have a problem trying to title this car going the break bond route? I know states vary, but vin tag is legit, I have a bill of sale, and a local law enforcement has done a vin inspection on the car verifying the vin. You think I face any issues obtaining a title? I live in Montana, about two hours from the Canadian Border.



 


DonSSDD 
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10-10-21 04:34 AM - Post#2828903    
    In response to moparmusclecars

Not sure on Montana rules, but if you have a problem, you can get paperwork on the car from Vintage Services in Canada. They can provide the “as built” documents including the AIM for the VIN/car.

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junky 
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10-10-21 05:16 AM - Post#2828905    
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If it crossed the border without a passport, then it will be considered an undocumented alien car. No telling what will happen then. It might be deported, or it might be given the summons to show up in court, which we all know are generally disregarded. Good luck, and I can help you find a good immigration lawyer if the car has deep pockets.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
64ss409 
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10-10-21 10:03 AM - Post#2828910    
    In response to moparmusclecars

I would take it to your local county courthouse and ask. I think they would be able to help. I titled a 56 IH pickup with only a bill of sale. I had it inspected by a deputy and was able to get it titled.
What part of the state? I am an hour west of Lewistown.
Ron

1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 
Mercedes 
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10-10-21 12:26 PM - Post#2828919    
    In response to moparmusclecars

You will have a "cloud" on the title and ownership of the vehicle until time itself comes to an end. If I have learned anything it is that ownership needs to be CLEARLY documented. In your case, not only do you have no recorded ownership (other than pieces of paper laying around), you are importing an undocumented vehicle.

I would fold and walk away.



 
327 
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10-10-21 02:12 PM - Post#2828927    
    In response to Mercedes

LMAO ....



 
Mercedes 
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10-11-21 02:21 PM - Post#2828981    
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10-11-21 03:33 PM - Post#2828988    
    In response to Mercedes

MoparMuscleCars, please ignore the member posting as "Mercedes". He often posts wrong information, misleading tips, and just plain wrong answers.

I have had very good luck titling old vehicles by going to the local DMV and just asking what I needed to do. Twice it turned out I just had to have the vehicle inspected by any law enforcement officer, who signed the paperwork, which I then took back to the DMV. They generally do not worry about old cars that are not expensive classics.

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327 
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10-11-21 03:46 PM - Post#2828990    
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moparmusclecars 
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10-11-21 08:13 PM - Post#2829004    
    In response to 327

I have done countless break bond titles here in Montana and not a single issue. i will call the state, and run the scenario being honest past them, and see what they tell me. I am thinking 40 years ago this car come across the border and was simply left here and basically abandoned. My only concern is it saying GM of Canada right above the vin tag. Some say they doubt the DMV will say anything as so many years have passed. I hope they are right. If it didn't say that above the vin number, I wouldn't be concerned. We shall see when I call them what they tell me, before I even submit for a title. I appreciate most of the responses, ty.



 
junky 
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10-12-21 05:40 AM - Post#2829009    
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Every form for a title only asked for the VIN number, not the place of manufacture. No need to say that it is a Canadian-manufactured vehicle since I don't believe that they care.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
327 
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10-12-21 09:44 AM - Post#2829021    
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Mercedes 
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10-12-21 01:00 PM - Post#2829026    
    In response to junky

Where it is manufactured is not an issue, never was.

The market that it was intended to service is an issue. Not all vehicles that are manufactured are/were meant for the US market.

My advice is, and continues to be, to be careful. I would not buy the vehicle and that's what the forum is for, sharing information.

The ownership history has some questions and whether you bring it over the border or not has nothing to do with the concerns over documenting ownership. Obtaining a title does not eliminate the possibility of someone coming forward in the future and claiming to be the rightful owner.

If you get a title through a bonding company, they are guaranteeing that if that situation occurs, they'll make the party whole. If you get the vehicle titled and there is an unclear history of ownership, then you have a risk.





Edited by Mercedes on 10-12-21 01:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
64ss409 
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10-12-21 03:10 PM - Post#2829034    
    In response to 327

The only thing I can think of that may come up when you talk to the DMV, I think Montana now requires a notarized bill of sale. They have online forms for that.
Ron

1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 
Mercedes 
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10-13-21 09:19 AM - Post#2829083    
    In response to 64ss409

I wonder what minor difference that there are for a vehicle from that era being sold in Canada vs the US?



 
DonSSDD 
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10-13-21 02:54 PM - Post#2829104    
    In response to Mercedes

  • Mercedes Said:
I wonder what minor difference that there are for a vehicle from that era being sold in Canada vs the US?


Only cosmetic differences, mechanical was identical. Canadian engines were all stamped with a code on the pad for each vehicle, regardless of hp. The GM documents have that number so an engine and a body can be matched.

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