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Username Post: Power Steering Swap Question        (Topic#366510)
geoscot 
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09-25-21 09:55 AM - Post#2827937    

Apologies if this has been covered before.
I want to do a SBC swap on my '53 Bel Air. The car has factory power steering, which works fine. I'd like to retain the original P/S box and use a more modern Saginaw pump to avoid trying to adapt the original pump to the V8. Saginaw pumps are available in 850 psi versions so they should work with the stock (750-900 psi) setup.
Has anyone done this? If so, how did it work out?
Thanks!



 


drew1987 
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09-25-21 04:32 PM - Post#2827950    
    In response to geoscot

Not sure about power steering - crazy rare and awesome by the way / but clearing the exhaust is though with factory IFS. I used 1999 Tahoe manifold with the oxygen sensor hole welded. Good luck

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51chevcoupe 
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09-25-21 05:33 PM - Post#2827955    
    In response to drew1987

These should solve all your exhaust issues.

https://www.hillchevy.com/product/williams-v8-e xha...

If you spend some time in the local wrecking yards, some of the late 80's- early 90's GM truck manifolds dump like this and woulds be mucho cheaper.

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
drew1987 
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09-25-21 06:38 PM - Post#2827960    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

Those are sweet.

99 Tahoe was least restrictive, super affordable but sticks off the block in the back. Clears steering but does stick out by the firewall

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BAJohnny 
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09-25-21 07:32 PM - Post#2827965    
    In response to drew1987

Do you have any pictures of the manifolds?

1953 BelAir 2dr Sedan
1953 BelAir 2dr Hardtop


 
drew1987 
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09-26-21 07:21 PM - Post#2828063    
    In response to BAJohnny

Here is one from the Internet. It’s very subtle, but you should be able to see how the tube bends away from the block ever so slightly after the middle port. This means a collision with those triangular brackets from the firewall down to the frame. Guys have been cutting them out since 1949 when the freaking cars were new. At the very least, I have a friend in my local club that did a 1949 convertible in 1952. Possibly one of the sickest customs I’ve ever seen… A lowered chopped convertible,
Open Drive conversion Cadillac engine Oldsmobile transmission, couldn’t make left turns (or maybe it was right turns, either way) for like two weeks while he was working on relocating the starter to the other side of the motor, nevertheless, I cut those brackets out of my car, but I wish I did something else to reinforce the firewall

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Lead sled 
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09-30-21 07:11 PM - Post#2828327    
    In response to drew1987

Hey Drew, what size pipe fits the exhaust dump? I'm hoping 2 1/2". That would be good for my double hump hi/perf heads I can't find any port size OR pipe size on the Dorman site Thanks Brian :wink :

Late yr model (Dec. 51 Bel Air/ 52 trim), with a basically stock 68 Camaro SS350/300hp Turbo Fire Edelbrock 1405,Saginaw 4spd/355 geared 55/6 Chevy rear.2,1st places, and 1 top five award trophies so far
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drew1987 
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10-01-21 05:59 PM - Post#2828361    
    In response to Lead sled

Sorry but it’s 2” I ran 2 inch from the motor back. My 350 breaths fine but it’s an old goat with some bullet wounds hahah

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Lead sled 
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10-01-21 08:34 PM - Post#2828368    
    In response to drew1987

I figured it would be 2". 2 1/2" is wishful thinking. The 2" gotta be better than the old 265 v8 manifolds that are on now. Thanks Drew :sad :
I'll figure them out sooner or later, no more "junk" yards around anymore unless you want newer or Jap stuff ' '

Late yr model (Dec. 51 Bel Air/ 52 trim), with a basically stock 68 Camaro SS350/300hp Turbo Fire Edelbrock 1405,Saginaw 4spd/355 geared 55/6 Chevy rear.2,1st places, and 1 top five award trophies so far
http://www.picturetrail.com/bris51deluxe


 
drew1987 
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10-02-21 04:50 AM - Post#2828372    
    In response to Lead sled

It’s important to remember that the 5.7 L Vortech motor was the best breathing of any small block ever made. I have faith that General Motors engineered the exhaust manifolds to exhale quite well.

As for junkyards, we have the cleanest and most organized junkyard in the world! I am attaching a photo.

That said, I remember spending probably half a day to save a few bucks and pull one. In hindsight, that was penny wise and pound foolish.

I will get personal for a moment: I built that Chevy six months after going from two incomes to provide a nice life for the two of us, to one income to provide a nice life for three of us (new baby). That new baby is now going on seven years old, and a fourth is due in a few weeks. Money is even tighter, but we have been good stewards of what little we have had, and built a very nice life. I prefer to fabricate all my parts or repurpose existing parts, no judgment, but I don’t like manufactured hot rod parts even with an unlimited budget. Again no judgment just preference. When I do this next build, I will take longer, and instead of working so hard in the junkyard, I will work some extra hours at the business and do some side work to get premium used or new parts like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-1999-2000-Ex haust-Ma...

We are looking at a difference of about $30 to have a brand new cast-iron manifold delivered. It does not make sense to even spend two hours in the junkyard to save that money. Again, that comes from the sole provider for in family have six.

Pardon these personal details, but I would be selfish not to share what wisdom I gained from my last build in the life I have lived since… There are parts in my 1950 Chevy that by using, I may have saved $500 over the whole build. Now that time is more precious than money could ever be (even though money is still tied) I am spending hours replacing 20 or $40 where items that I wish I did back then.

That wasn’t meant to be advice for you necessarily, just sharing what I’ve learned with the group and perhaps somebody in my exact shoes that stumbles upon us!

As for the Japanese stuff, that has purpose in our hobby as well. I’m not sure if you knew this, but the steering column out of a Toyota Prius along with its computer and a simple 12 V import can add power steering to any vehicle with a little fabrication. Also, if you prefer a traditional hydraulic steering set up, but can’t run a steering pump on your engine, you can hide the electric over hydraulic steering pump from a Mazda three in your fender! There are tons of parts you can find in modern cars even European in Japanese. Rather amazing! I believe in building traditional, but nobody would see an electric steering column up underneath the dash of a 40s Fat fender

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drew1987 
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10-02-21 04:52 AM - Post#2828373    
    In response to drew1987

One more disclaimer: none of the aforementioned opinions are meant to be anything other than just sharing my ideas in case they can help others. I certainly don’t judge you guys who buy your hot rod parts from the hot rod shop, nor do I judge guys who are in the shoes I wore seven years ago and spend all day at the junkyard to get a $20 manifold when a new one cost 50. No judgment at all, just my take on it after nearly a decade and about to start another build Lord willing!


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10-03-21 02:45 PM - Post#2828442    
    In response to drew1987

Thanks for your input Drew. Time does matter now a days (starting to add up a lot of health issues all at once). Being no decent salvage yards around my area, I'll probably get the Dorman pipes,(alt bracket for left side) and run 2" all the way back.

Late yr model (Dec. 51 Bel Air/ 52 trim), with a basically stock 68 Camaro SS350/300hp Turbo Fire Edelbrock 1405,Saginaw 4spd/355 geared 55/6 Chevy rear.2,1st places, and 1 top five award trophies so far
http://www.picturetrail.com/bris51deluxe


 
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10-03-21 05:47 PM - Post#2828449    
    In response to Lead sled

I like it. I used a truck alternator bracket for the few years after cars went to long water pumps but trucks hadnt yet. Fairly rare part actually (or hard to find - I’m sure there are tons sitting around not for sale)


I hope those health issues work out. Those are no fun

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Lead sled 
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10-03-21 09:23 PM - Post#2828460    
    In response to drew1987

Thanks Drew. Sorry to Geoscot for hy jacking your post

Late yr model (Dec. 51 Bel Air/ 52 trim), with a basically stock 68 Camaro SS350/300hp Turbo Fire Edelbrock 1405,Saginaw 4spd/355 geared 55/6 Chevy rear.2,1st places, and 1 top five award trophies so far
http://www.picturetrail.com/bris51deluxe


 
drew1987 
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10-04-21 04:54 AM - Post#2828467    
    In response to Lead sled

eeek lead i somehow though you started this thread haha i just scrolled up! well geo can use this info all the same cause he doesnt want to be like my buddy who, in 1952 was only able to turn one way! Those guys and their car stories are sooo amazing

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