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Username Post: Will 64 axles fit 63 pumpkin        (Topic#366390)
LSS1333 
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09-12-21 11:49 AM - Post#2826939    

Hello friends, I have a 63 impala convertible ss. I need to replace my rear axles bearings. I have 17 spline axels, but heard the 64 impala has 28 splines.

Can I use the 28 spline axles with my current 3rd member?

Thanks



 


dgstarr 
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09-12-21 03:49 PM - Post#2826950    
    In response to LSS1333

59-64 full size passenger cars are all the same, except that the right and left axle shafts are different lengths. They are all 17 spline. The 64 Chevelle has a completely different rear end, perhaps is is what confused you.

Dave



 
LSS1333 
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09-12-21 05:00 PM - Post#2826957    
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Thanks for the response and clarification.



 
junky 
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09-12-21 06:22 PM - Post#2826964    
    In response to LSS1333

The earlier axles didn't have the centering protrusion that centers the wheel on the axle before tightening the studs. Not certain what year it changed to have the protrusion, but I believe that it was 1962.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
DZAUTO 
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09-12-21 06:27 PM - Post#2826967    
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  • LSS1333 Said:
Hello friends, I have a 63 impala convertible ss. I need to replace my rear axles bearings. I have 17 spline axels, but heard the 64 impala has 28 splines.

Can I use the 28 spline axles with my current 3rd member?

Thanks



FIRST and FOREMOST, whomever told you that 64 Chevy axles had 28 splines------------------ -STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT PERSON AS POSSIBLE!!! (we're talking full size pass cars/Vettes, NOT Chevelles, which had 28 splines).
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, repeat, ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 55-64 Chevy pass cars, and ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL 56-62 Corvette and the 62-63 ChevyIIs had 17 spline axles which fit into axle gears of ALL 55-64 rearends. PERIOD.
There were NO, repeat, NO 28spline axles until the rears changed in 65.
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 59-64 pass car axles are a pure, 100% interchange. The 57 and 58 axles were slightly shorter than 59-64 axles.
The 57-62 Corvette, and 57-58 passenger car axles were the same.
For 55-64 passenger cars and 56-62 Corvettes, there were 3 different axle bearings. So, the correct axle bearing must be used with the appropriate axle which fits into the axle housing.

Below are pictures of the 3 styles of axle bearings used on 55-64 pass cars and 56-62 Corvettes. The one on the left is 55-56 (and 56 Vette), center is 57 ONLY, right is 58-64.


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DZAUTO 
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09-12-21 06:36 PM - Post#2826968    
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  • junky Said:
The earlier axles didn't have the centering protrusion that centers the wheel on the axle before tightening the studs. Not certain what year it changed to have the protrusion, but I believe that it was 1962.



That center protrusion on the end of the axle is called a pilot. EVERY Chevy axle I've ever seen----------------all the way back in the 40s, had a pilot. Through the years, the pilots were different, but all axles had them.

Here are just some of the ones I've seen.

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Mercedes 
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09-13-21 01:38 AM - Post#2826977    
    In response to DZAUTO

I totally agree with you. I've never seen a wheel mount on a vehicle that didn't have a pilot or "centering protrusion" as some call it.





 
327 
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09-13-21 04:47 AM - Post#2826983    
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del.impala 
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09-13-21 06:20 AM - Post#2826999    
    In response to DZAUTO

Dz and only Dz please respond, What would be the best available bearing for the 58-64 axles that you would trust using. Manufacturer and item number please Thank you! Keep up the Great work you do in keeping facts straight!!!



 
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09-13-21 09:19 AM - Post#2827012    
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The bearing series for 58-64 pass cars and 58-62 Corvettes is the RW607 series. Locating the MOST ideal brand will be a challenge, but any NOS New Departure or Hyatt bearing(originally installed by GM) would be a top choice. OLDER Bower(BCA), Green, Timken, SKF (all that were made in America) would be good choices. Even if they were made 50-60yrs ago, still in the original packaging and still had the manufacturer's lubricant in the bearing (THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO BAD INSIDE THE ORIGINAL PACKAGING SITTING ON A SHELF), and would be good to use. I was at a friend's house this weekend replacing a 50+yr old (NON-GM) axle bearing on his 57 Corvette. It had not had symptoms (noises or growling) of going bad, but it was leaking oil, so it was time to replace it.

I personally have ZERO hesitation using a bearing other than what GM installed ----------------- PROVIDED --------------- it is a quality USA made bearing.
In recent years, I have bought some NON-brand name axle bearings, but so far I don't know if they are any good. I ran across them for about $25ea (YES, they MAY be Chinese), so I rolled the dice and bought some. Some day I will find out if they are any good.



 
junky 
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09-13-21 10:28 AM - Post#2827018    
    In response to DZAUTO

This is the one that I was thinking of. I don't remember the exact reasoning, but I do remember it was installed on a 1964 SS Impala 409 car with factory wheels that ran into a problem.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


Edited by junky on 09-13-21 10:29 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
64ss409 
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09-13-21 10:47 AM - Post#2827021    
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That needs a 6 bolt wheel.

1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 
LSS1333 
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09-13-21 11:27 AM - Post#2827025    
    In response to DZAUTO

Thank you DZAUTO!!!

This is exactly the type of knowledge, experience and explanation I was looking for.



 
DZAUTO 
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09-13-21 12:19 PM - Post#2827028    
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  • junky Said:
This is the one that I was thinking of. I don't remember the exact reasoning, but I do remember it was installed on a 1964 SS Impala 409 car with factory wheels that ran into a problem.



I've NEVER known of a Chevy pass car that used 6bolt axles. I would suspect that rear/axles came from an earlier pickup. PLUS, 58-64 Chevy full size cars (and 64-later Chevys) had coil spring rears, not leaf spring rears.



 
64ss409 
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09-13-21 05:00 PM - Post#2827042    
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Maybe that photo is from a 57 Black Widow. They had 6 bolt wheels.
Ron

1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 
DZAUTO 
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09-13-21 07:01 PM - Post#2827050    
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  • 64ss409 Said:
Maybe that photo is from a 57 Black Widow. They had 6 bolt wheels.
Ron



That is EXACTLY correct, and a REAL possibility.
I know that a small number of replica (or tribute) Black Widows have been built and I am perfectly OK with that. In fact, I'd own one in a heartbeat!



 
55Brodie 
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09-13-21 11:32 PM - Post#2827056    
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https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-269362/19 57-chev...



 
DonSSDD 
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09-14-21 12:56 AM - Post#2827058    
    In response to 55Brodie

Tom, a 31 Chev had 6 bolt wire wheels, just for the record. Not sure when they went to 5 bolt. The 31 Chev 6 bolt was the same bolt pattern as the Chevy pickups, then it got used on Toyota 4wd and Nissan 4wd pickups.

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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junky 
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09-14-21 07:18 AM - Post#2827067    
    In response to DZAUTO

I was referring to the type of protrusion, not the number of studs.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
Mercedes 
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09-14-21 09:48 AM - Post#2827072    
    In response to junky

I don't understand the tone of some of the replies. I believe that the question is valid and deserves an answer based upon facts.



 
DZAUTO 
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09-14-21 12:43 PM - Post#2827076    
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  • junky Said:
I was referring to the type of protrusion, not the number of studs.



And I clearly understood that. All axles, as far back as I can remember, have a pilot.



 
DZAUTO 
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09-14-21 12:45 PM - Post#2827077    
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  • Mercedes Said:
I don't understand the tone of some of the replies. I believe that the question is valid and deserves an answer based upon facts.



I thought I gave an accurate answer. The question was about the center protrusion(pilot) on rear axles, and that is what I originally replied to. Did I miss something?



 
junky 
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09-14-21 07:30 PM - Post#2827101    
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It was perfectly clear to me. Possibly Mercedes doesn't understand the language of the written words?

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
japete92 
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09-15-21 05:27 AM - Post#2827121    
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  • junky Said:
It was perfectly clear to me. Possibly Mercedes doesn't understand the language of the written words?



He does not understand much of anything AND knows less. At best his posts are harmless and not relevant. Most are simply factually incorrect.

Pete






 
DZAUTO 
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09-15-21 02:17 PM - Post#2827150    
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One small detail I failed to mention.
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, I MEAN, ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 59-64 full size Chevy axles are totally, 100% interchangeable. Yes, through the years, the style of the pilots were different. BUT, they are totally interchangeable. Once a wheel and hubcap is installed, the shape of the pilot cannot be seen.



 
327 
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09-15-21 05:04 PM - Post#2827162    
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327 
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327 
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64ss409 
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09-16-21 03:11 PM - Post#2827211    
    In response to DZAUTO

The main purpose of the pilot protrusion on the axle is to make sure the brake drum runs true with the axle. The wheels on our cars are centered by the tapered lug nuts. Many of the mags/after market wheels have a center that is larger than the axle pilot, not even close to it.
I currently have Dutchman axles in my 64. The pilot only sticks our about 1/8 of an inch past the brake drum, much less that the stock axles.
Ron

1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 


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