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VanLife 
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09-20-21 10:04 AM - Post#2827488    
    In response to VanLife

local government is worried about fakers and is punnishing me for it by illegally forcing a reasonable accomidation I me I never asked for. Doing it this way is illegal under the ADA.

reasonable accommodations is a specific legal process for people with disabilities to address disparate impact and disparate treatment. When we encounter it.

but there is no disparate impact UNLESS we file for a reasonable accommodation request in writing or verbally. (this is why its not legal for them to force one, we didn't ask for)

I was originally trying to get them to honor the protection the CDC and MN health department granted us. which was exemption to mask rules.

But that failed and they dragged their feet for more than a year.
So now I am using service animal case law regarding transmissible deadly diseases to humans. when it comes to how a person with disabilities copes with their disabilities. by reducing or eliminating the danger of transmission by other means. THis was resolved over 30 years of fighting for access to inperson services wher an animal brought deadly transmissible diseases

We humans are also animals. this is what makes service animal case law on subject of deadly transmissible diseases to human valid in my fight

Mine isn't political fight, Mine isn't fight for exemption. Mine is fight to allow for other ways to reduce transmission risk.

what made the service animals case law important is the recognition that general public is also bringing in deadly transmissible diseases. So for a person with disabilities they only needed to reduce their risk to equal to or less than the dirtiest member of the general public allowed in

in this case it medically defined as Unvaccinated wearing a mask as posing the most danger.

the reason for this is full vaccination reduces getting infected in the first place by 3 folds. If your not getting infected your not transmitting it to other people. that equals to overall net reduction in transmission of covid.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


Edited by VanLife on 09-20-21 10:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


enigma57 
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09-20-21 12:23 PM - Post#2827497    
    In response to VanLife

  • VanLife Said:
I am NOT discounting your suggestion to move.

I just want to point on some realities in regards to disabilities and escaping this kind of discrimination.

going elsewhere doesn't work in reality for people with disabilities. THe problems we face are on an institutional level. simplified: its everywhere you go. I can go up to the cities and have the same problem or another variation of the same exact problem.

And its compounded and made worse when you move because you lose all of the support infrastructure you built up over a life time to cope with the disabilities you have.

example Mayo clinic is ONLY here. They are the only ones who are capable of handling my complex medical history. I had smaller medical institutions fire me as a patient because They are incapable of treating me and helping me cope with the medical complications I have.

That is just 1 thing of many that makes coping possible.

I am literally stuck here whether I want to be or not. ALSO I can't leave the state due to medical coverage and insurance. I am ON medicare + QMB+ Medicaid. That is LOCKED to care only provided within MN borders. I leave the state I lose my medical insurance.

You were looking at it from an able bodied perspective I forgive you for that. Its NOT easy for able bodies to see how their suggestions are impractical in a disability settings. part of that is the lack of interaction between able bodied and disability counterparts.

Fight with local government is their refusal to modify the BLANKET rule on masks. ALL people must wear them. without bothering to account for people with disabilities who are incapable of following that rule due specifically disabilities.

Its NOT our choice. Wearing mask is extremely dangerous to our health.

Now that we have vaccines there is other ways to reduce transmission of covid. but its NOT exactly like masks reduction of droplets. its better than masks. due to significant amount of immunity form getting infected in the first place. THIS reduces overall transmission of covid to be equal to or less than unvaccinated wearing a mask.

The disparate impact is refusal to modify the rule to allow me to follow the rule of reduction of transmission by other means. That is not a mask

I am NOT requesting an exemption I am requesting I meet the reduction in a way that is compatable with my disability but is NOT how the able bodied unvaccinated reduce transmission "AKA wear mask"



Van, I am not here to argue with you nor anybody else. Your body...... Your choice. I respect your choices. Was just pointing out that there are alternatives in health care.

Yes, I understand that no one wants to give up relationships formed over many years with respect to healthcare. And that Mayo Clinic is there. We have many hospitals and clinics here in Texas, as well. Some better than others. At my age, my doctors and dentists have all retired or passed on and I have had to find new ones.

Just wanted to point out that were you to relocate...... You would have Medicare and Medicaid in Texas or Florida same as you do where you are now. I do not know what QMD is, so cannot comment on that.

In my own case, I am 73 but my wife is younger and still working, so I am covered under her healthcare insurance at her work. We both figured I would have better healthcare that way. Yes, her insurance at work covers pre-existing conditions. She's been there nearly 20 years and it always has. You don't have to have government run healthcare to cover pre-existing conditions. You just need an employer that values their employees enough to offer it. Doesn't cost much more per month to cover me than what Medicare would have taken out of my Social Security check had I not opted out of all but Part A. Medicare coverage.

Yes, I could go to the VA hospital, but based upon my past experiences with them in the '70s and '80s...... I'll pass on that unless there is no other option.

Regarding masks in general...... In both Texas and Florida, the Governors and State Legislatures have taken measures to ensure that there is no mandate from state nor local government requiring everyone to wear masks. That is a matter of personal choice. Your body...... Your choice.

Private businesses can require them (masks) for employees or for patrons within the confines of their property. And that includes private hospitals, clinics and doctors offices, etc. But on balance, patrons can opt to go elsewhere if they do not wish to wear a mask.

In Texas, it is against state law for any municipality, county or other government entity including the state to mandate anything whatsoever regarding masks (the exception being within the confines of federal government facilities, that is up to the feds). And this is likely the case in Florida, as well.

To add clarity...... I am not looking at this from either the perspective of someone with disabilities nor someone who is able bodied. I look at it from the perspective of both.

In my wife's case...... She has asthma and cannot get enough air if she wears the typical disposable mask for any appreciable length of time, but she has tried an N-95 mask and it works for her.

In my own case...... I have no medical related breathing difficulties but I cannot get enough air (volume) if I wear the typical disposable mask, so I just wear one of the old 3-M type dust masks I have left over from projects out in the garage. Works for me.

Regarding mobility...... I understand how it is to be mobility impaired. I worked until both knees wore down bone on bone. Could no longer climb down into 40 ft. deep manholes, walk on structural steel beams 50 flights up nor climb up on rooves to inspect construction projects.

Not a good candidate for knee replacement and have other health issues, so retired. That was 11 years ago. Walker doesn't work for me and I'm too stubborn to get into a wheelchair until I have no other option. Fortunately, still have enough upper body strength to use my arms to get around, so I use a couple of heavy steel canes in much the same way as the kids I went to school with who had polio did...... And get around that way. Have a knotted rope hung from a ceiling joist out in the garage and use that to let myself down and haul myself up when I must get under the car to work on it.

Best regards,

Harry

"Dark and difficult times lie ahead, Harry. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right...... And what is easy."
Albus Dumbledore


 
59Lenoir 
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09-20-21 12:33 PM - Post#2827498    
    In response to enigma57

Hey Harry!
When did you come back?!



 
enigma57 
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09-20-21 12:50 PM - Post#2827500    
    In response to 59Lenoir

Just stopped by to say 'Howdy' and ended up posting a couple of times, 59Lenoir! Hope you're doing well. How's things?

Best regards,

Harry

"Dark and difficult times lie ahead, Harry. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right...... And what is easy."
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bsa6565 
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09-20-21 01:29 PM - Post#2827506    
    In response to VanLife

I dont know about eugenics but I did know someone that worked at state mental hosp in Rochester back in the Cold War Days. They said there was a safe n in that safe was a list of names of doctors, lawyers, politians...In the event of a missile attack,they had orders to release all the residents and get the list of names n let them into the Civil Defense Bunker in the building...



 
bsa6565 
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09-20-21 02:35 PM - Post#2827510    
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Why not just test everyone? If they are positive they go home for 10-14 days Does not matter if they have vaccine or not. (Especially when people have a false sense of security with vaccine because they can still carry Covid) This is kinda what they did before vaccines arrived except back then it could take maybe 5-6 days. I think they are much quicker now. 3 days ? The name of the game is finding the cases n isolating them CDC knows you can still carry the viris if you have the vaccine. So even with the vaccine mandates you are not reducing the spread, just have more people not getn as sick.but still could spread the covid... "A CDC study showed 14% of COVID-19 hospitalizations from June 20 to July 17 involved fully vaccinated patients in Minnesota The study concluded that fully vaccinated people had more than 10 times less risk of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths compared with unvaccinated people." Some people may have such minor symptoms that they can walk around spreading without knowing it. With these mandates Half the country would be a little sick but spreading it everywhere...



Edited by bsa6565 on 09-20-21 03:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bsa6565 
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09-20-21 02:50 PM - Post#2827511    
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thats what happened at my old site in Mpls. If you had vaccine you were not tested. Then they had outbreaks then test everyone n find the vaccine people were sometimes positive



 
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09-20-21 03:04 PM - Post#2827512    
    In response to bsa6565

Do you guys think you have gotten your point across yet?

How bout closing arguments and lets move on to a different subject.

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bsa6565 
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09-20-21 03:43 PM - Post#2827514    
    In response to Tony

Am done



 
enigma57 
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09-20-21 03:56 PM - Post#2827516    
    In response to Tony

Works for me, Tony.

Happy Motoring,

Harry

"Dark and difficult times lie ahead, Harry. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right...... And what is easy."
Albus Dumbledore


 
VanLife 
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09-20-21 04:54 PM - Post#2827521    
    In response to bsa6565

testing everyone is a logistical nightmare. also its not instantaneous. everyone would be milling around for 1 hour minimum.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 
VanLife 
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09-20-21 05:01 PM - Post#2827522    
    In response to enigma57

To my understanding there is no one else more comprehensive in medical insurance coverage than MN with exception of dental. in regards to medicare medicaid.

and when doctors or dentist go out of picture your not starting from scratch with absolutely everything.

Studies were done showing society is not built for movement anymore. there is too much hardship for most people when trying to relocate. that it is deter mental to their well being.

The cost alone cripples most people. I been reading about it before to see if it was a viable option to relocate to address some of the issues I was having.

Also you couldn't pay me to move to texas, florida, california, NY, and others.

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 
VanLife 
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09-20-21 05:07 PM - Post#2827523    
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not sure what your getting at tony we are having a conversation and sharing views I don't see name calling etc going on. and what we are talking about now is not what was being discussed when you were deleting posts.

to what I been seeing its more related to personal experiences with delta and covid in general.

and how we been trying to cope with it all

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


Edited by VanLife on 09-20-21 05:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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09-21-21 02:25 PM - Post#2827629    
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  • Tony Said:
Do you guys think you have gotten your point across yet?

How bout closing arguments and lets move on to a different subject.





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59Lenoir 
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09-22-21 01:30 PM - Post#2827706    
    In response to enigma57

not bad, not bad, still crawling along on the 59 resto.



 
enigma57 
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09-22-21 06:44 PM - Post#2827735    
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  • 59Lenoir Said:
not bad, not bad, still crawling along on the 59 resto.



Happy to hear that, 59 Lenoir! We have much to catch up on. Will send you a PM. I believe this thread is closed.

Best regards,

Harry

"Dark and difficult times lie ahead, Harry. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right...... And what is easy."
Albus Dumbledore


 
VanLife 
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09-23-21 08:59 AM - Post#2827781    
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its closed unofficially yes. without locking it

when asking Questions its related to van I own: 1987 GMC 3/4 ton G2500 vandura, V6, No AC, standard length. 3speed trans(no overdrive).


 


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