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Username Post: Need pictures of FACTORY INSTALLED FI on a 58        (Topic#365856)
DZAUTO 
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07-19-21 07:47 PM - Post#2823532    

Does anyone have quality, detailed pictures of a FACTORY INSTALLED fuel injection on a 58, especially a 58 Impala.
I am restoring a 4800R for the family of a gentleman that passed away last week. The daughter brought the COMPLETE (as best as I can tell) FI, air cleaner, distributor and misc parts to me today and I have just began inventorying. I started rebuilding FI units in 1974, and I have seen a FEW pictures of FI on 58 and 59 cars, but I have never personally observed in person a genuine 58 FI car.
When finished with the rebuild, I will contact the family and the 58 Impala will be delivered to me to install the FI and get it dialed in. So, if anyone has some good detailed pictures of a correct 58 FI car, can you post them, or email them to me. The factory 58-59 FI cars were rare, so putting this car back as correctly as possible will enjoyable.



 


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07-20-21 04:57 AM - Post#2823553    
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As you probably know the popular knowledge was there were no factory FI cars in 58. That's not to say there weren't some prototypes or such. It seems to me I remember seeing something in the assembly manual for 58 FI which leads people to think there was a FI option when it really never happened. I have seen on the net 58 cars that claim to be factory FI but have been debunked. However you could clone your own which would be cool.



 
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07-20-21 09:05 AM - Post#2823567    
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This FI unit I'm working on, has what appears to be all the parts which would be unique for a factory FI 58 Impala.
The owner called me 2-3 times in past months asking if I would rebuild the FI unit, but he passed away last week.
As I recall from out phone conversations, he was adamant that his 58 Impala was a genuine factory FI car (I have not yet seen the car for inspection). The FI unit was removed MANY years ago (he could not get it to run right), boxed up and has been on a shelf in his garage. It SEEMS to be correct for an early 58 car, has ALLLLLLLLLLLL the air cleaner parts for a 58 and the correct distributor. Even if it is a cloned FI car, it will have (from what I was given) all the parts shown in the parts illustrations.



 
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07-20-21 11:37 AM - Post#2823575    
    In response to DZAUTO

According to this document (I have no personal knowledge) FI was an offered option:

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-...

There is some data on the engine in that doc but the Shop Manual likely has more/better.

From a brief speed read of the doc, it appears the FI 283 is basically the Corvette engine.

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07-20-21 07:35 PM - Post#2823596    
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A brief search turned up quite a few examples of fuel injected ‘58s. At least one was admittedly a Corvette motor transplanted into it. But I found a NY Times article where the author states his father owned a fuel injected ‘58 that was bought brand new.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/automobile s/col...

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07-21-21 04:02 AM - Post#2823603    
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Hopefully the NY Times was more credible back then,Compared to recent years.


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07-22-21 07:17 AM - Post#2823677    
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Tom,
Greetings from the other side of Okc. About 2 years ago, I drove to McAlester to get a windshield for my 58 Delray. The gentleman I got it from had a fuel injected 58 Impala, among several other amazing cars. He told me that 1 of the reasons they were incredibly rare was due to the fact the 348 3x2 was a cheaper option with more HP than the fuel injected 283. I had a contact for him, I’ll see if I can find it and pass it along to you.

Brian




 
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07-22-21 03:18 PM - Post#2823708    
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  • 58okdelray Said:
Tom,
Greetings from the other side of Okc. About 2 years ago, I drove to McAlester to get a windshield for my 58 Delray. The gentleman I got it from had a fuel injected 58 Impala, among several other amazing cars. He told me that 1 of the reasons they were incredibly rare was due to the fact the 348 3x2 was a cheaper option with more HP than the fuel injected 283. I had a contact for him, I’ll see if I can find it and pass it along to you.

Brian





Brian,
That is the FI unit I'm working on now. The man's name was Bill, he passed away last week. His family wants me to continue to restore the FI unit, and when it's finished, they will have the car brought to me to install the FI unit and get it running.
The Daughter, who lives on the north side of OKC, brought EVERYTHING in boxes to me. It seems to be VERY complete. Unfortunately, I have never seen nor touched a full size Chevy with FI (have been building FI units since 1974), thus, I'm not familiar with what a 58 car should look like with FI.
What did 58 pass car FI emblems look like???



 
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07-22-21 03:40 PM - Post#2823710    
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Yes, that was him, sure sorry to hear that. The more I think about it, it may have been 3-4 years ago that I got the windshield and saw the car (among others, he had a blown 58 Delray wagon that was originally an ambulance). But I know the engine and FI unit was fully assembled at that time. I’m far from an expert, but I’d be very surprised if it wasn’t original, the rest of the car sure was.
Don’t know on the scripts, either.....of all the times I should have taken pictures....



Edited by 58okdelray on 07-22-21 03:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
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07-22-21 06:08 PM - Post#2823720    
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  • 58okdelray Said:
.....of all the times I should have taken pictures....



Ya, story of my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 
wagonman100 
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07-22-21 07:36 PM - Post#2823728    
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The ones in the pictures I have seen were script writing that said fuel injection and had the crossed flags (one example I saw didn’t have the flags). They were on the fenders just behind the gills. To tell the truth, they looked out of place to me.

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07-23-21 01:32 AM - Post#2823734    
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Tom, the 1958 Pontiac Parisienne offered fuel injection in a 283, it was a 250 hp unit. It would be 100% the same as the unit offered on the 58 Impala I am confident. There is a drawing of the unit in the brochure but it is very poor quality.

http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/Canada/GM-Canada/Po...

I’ll see if anyone has anything better or has ever seen a car with the unit.

Don

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07-23-21 01:37 AM - Post#2823735    
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This document from the brochure shows more info, like FI only available with turboglide and synchro mesh, no powerglide. They offered Level Air too in 58, but not with FI.



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07-23-21 11:30 AM - Post#2823767    
    In response to DZAUTO

This is NOT directly related to the question at hand, but some folks may find it interesting anyway.

When we had our '58 Impala at the VCCA anniversary meet at lake Tahoe back in 2016, I was staged next to a '58 Delray that had less than 15K miles on it. It had a 348 with 3x2 carbs, 4 speed tranny, 411 rear end, heater and radio delete, and NO options. It was ordered by a dealership that wanted to drag race it but they couldn't beat the '57 FI cars, so they made it a show room queen.

I guess bigger isn't always better!

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07-23-21 03:58 PM - Post#2823778    
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Found one from an auction, plenty of pics.

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/chevrolet/imp...


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DZAUTO 
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07-23-21 05:59 PM - Post#2823781    
    In response to DonSSDD

Thanks.
The FI emblems appear to be the same as 58-61 Corvette and the crossed flats appear to be the same as 57 Vette and pass cars with FI.

OOOOOOOOOOOK, next question.
IF, just IF the car has its original block, and it was in fact a factory FI car, what would be the STAMPED suffix on the pad for a 58 pass car with FI?



 
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07-24-21 11:58 AM - Post#2823817    
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I found a fellow who says he has a 1958 pontiac fuel injection Manual showing illustrations and trouble diagnosis.It is 24 pages long

Printed in february 1958

Not sure if it’s Canadian Pontiac or US Pontiac, I’ve asked and will advise.

Did you get an email from Cecil?

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07-24-21 01:25 PM - Post#2823829    
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  • DonSSDD Said:


Did you get an email from Cecil?

Don



I did. We have corresponded several times in the past. He is also an old warbird fan.




 
DZAUTO 
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07-24-21 03:17 PM - Post#2823831    
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I found engine suffix codes for 58 pass cars with FI.
CH--250hp(hyd cam)--3sp
CY--250hp(hyd cam)--sp4(probably none built)
EC--250hp(hyd cam)--Turboglide
CJ--283hp(solid cam)--3sp
CZ--283hp(solid cam)--4sp(probably none built)

Now, that brings up the question of a 58 with a 4sp. They were listed as an option. Were they available???????????? Were any 58s even built with a 4sp?????? That has been an ongoing debate/conflict/discussio n for MANY, MANY years.



 
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07-24-21 03:31 PM - Post#2823833    
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I heard 4, none were FI.

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07-25-21 06:12 AM - Post#2823858    
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Regardless whether there were any 58 pass cars built with FI and 4 speeds it would be worth while to built a clone of what Chevrolet should have done. Based on what Chevy did in 59 with and other parts they could have used I think you could make it.



 
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07-26-21 08:27 AM - Post#2823910    
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I THINK I have all the parts now.
The FI unit is cleaned, inspected and refinished and I'm beginning assembly.
Cecil is going to email me some pages on FI in the 58 assembly manual. So I'll put it all together as close as possible as it would have been done at the assembly plant.



 
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07-26-21 08:31 AM - Post#2823911    
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Tom, will you post pictures of the completed setup?

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07-26-21 04:30 PM - Post#2823940    
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ABSOLUTELY!



 
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07-27-21 06:08 PM - Post#2824005    
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  • DonSSDD Said:
Tom, will you post pictures of the completed setup?

Don



The 4800R FI unit is now cleaned, refinished, restored and assembled. I even had a triangle foil tag reproduced for the fuel meter. I sent the distributor to Don Baker for a rebuild. I just need to contact the widow of the gentleman who owned the car and tell her I'm ready for her to send the car to me.

Also there is a picture of the air cleaner which came in the box with all the parts. It's rare to find a pass car air cleaner in the condition that this one is. I'm not even going to try to restore it, it is in such good condition.



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07-27-21 06:57 PM - Post#2824012    
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Looks just like my air cleaner.



 
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07-27-21 07:55 PM - Post#2824014    
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I've seen a few examples of FI emblems on a '58 Impala to suggest that there were some that came from the factory as such. All were arranged in the exact same way as posted by DonSSDD.

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07-28-21 05:09 AM - Post#2824027    
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Like that air cleaner I have one on my 59 which is mounted on the core support. Keep the pictures coming.



 
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08-21-21 07:20 PM - Post#2825676    
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Tom, any updates on this ?

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