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Username Post: Another Trim tag post        (Topic#365419)
rickey1964 
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07-08-21 09:31 AM - Post#2822866    
    In response to 62sedan

Thank you. It is going to need a lot of work but with the Good Lord's Blessing it will get done.





 


rrausch 
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07-09-21 06:23 AM - Post#2822907    
    In response to rickey1964

Wow. What a find!!

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
kingkreeton 
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kingkreeton
Loc: Nashville TN
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07-09-21 05:39 PM - Post#2822945    
    In response to rickey1964

Awesome find!! That’s amazing it still runs. Good luck with the car and keep posting pics of progress. You should start a new thread so we can follow it. I’m excited for you.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie


 
dgstarr 
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dgstarr
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07-09-21 06:06 PM - Post#2822946    
    In response to Carl1962

The Muncie 4 speed begin replacing the Warner T-10 in February 1963. Because your car is a July car, it most likely a Muncie, a more rugged transmission. The Muncie has a 7 bolt side cover, Warner has 9 bolts.



 
327 
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07-09-21 06:55 PM - Post#2822949    
    In response to rickey1964





 
rickey1964 
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07-12-21 03:48 PM - Post#2823126    
    In response to rickey1964

Correction, Intake is part #3799349....the correct 300 horsepower cast iron intake for 1963.



 
rickey1964 
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07-12-21 03:56 PM - Post#2823127    
    In response to kingkreeton

I will do that.

We are working out a plan at the moment on how to go about rebuilding-restoring the car.






 
rickey1964 
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07-12-21 04:02 PM - Post#2823128    
    In response to kingkreeton

Engine runs strong and smooth but smokes a little when revved. Brother (the mechanic) says most likely lifter seals need to be replaced.

The Rochester is sitting on an adapter plate. Though it appears to work perfectly I am going to replace it with an original part Carter.



 
kingkreeton 
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07-12-21 05:49 PM - Post#2823134    
    In response to rickey1964

I say leave that carburetor in there as long as the car is running correctly. Work on other stuff while you can still drive it. That way you can have some fun driving around with long worrying about the carb crapping out on ya. Just my two cents.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie


 
rickey1964 
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07-12-21 06:21 PM - Post#2823136    
    In response to kingkreeton

10-4.....that is the plan. I just know eventually I am going to change it to make it correct.

In addition to the good stuff so far is the windshield washer is still there too. That would be expensive to replace.

The keys I got fit everything but the glove box.....I am dying to find out what is in there.



 
rrausch 
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07-13-21 06:08 AM - Post#2823147    
    In response to rickey1964

I once went to rescue an old Chevy that had sat in the woods for many, many years. I was also curious what was in the glove compartment, and finally pried the pass door open and sat down on the seat and opened the glove compartment. I looked in, but didn't see much. The defroster hose was bulging down through the decayed cardboard top of the g.c., and I reached in and pulled out some old dimes and matchbooks and a churchkey. In doing so my wrist rubbed against the "defroster hose", and it muscled up and slithered deeper into the dash. I was out of that car in 1/10th of a second. Later I came back and beat on the dash with a long stick for (I timed it) fifteen minutes before I got up enough guts to reach in and rescue the gauges.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
rickey1964 
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07-13-21 08:16 AM - Post#2823151    
    In response to rrausch

Great story!



 
62sedan 
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07-13-21 02:00 PM - Post#2823167    
    In response to rrausch

  • Quote:
In doing so my wrist rubbed against the "defroster hose", and it muscled up and slithered deeper into the dash. I was out of that car in 1/10th of a second.



OMG!!! That would have been enough to cause me to draw mud in my drawers!!

Chuck






 
kingkreeton 
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07-14-21 02:28 AM - Post#2823193    
    In response to rrausch

Crazy story. Thanks for posting that.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie


 
rrausch 
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07-14-21 11:57 AM - Post#2823215    
    In response to kingkreeton

In retrospect it was probably a big black snake, and they are not poisonous, but.....

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
55 Shaker 
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07-14-21 03:41 PM - Post#2823227    
    In response to rrausch

  • rrausch Said:
I I was out of that car in 1/10th of a second. Later I came back and beat on the dash with a long stick for (I timed it) fifteen minutes before I got up enough guts to reach in and rescue the gauges.



I would of been out in 1/20th of a second, and I wouldn't have came back.

The older I get, the more dangerous, I am !!!!


 
Mercedes 
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07-19-21 02:11 PM - Post#2823515    
    In response to 62sedan

I was recently shown two trim tags. One was totally fake but made with a machine, the other was original.

Although both appeared to be original with wear and age marks, the individual showed me the fake. I could not tell the difference.

What I've learned here is that all of the trim tags, numbers and other parts of the vehicle guarantee NOTHING. However, you should enjoy your vehicle.

Even experts disagree with how to tell one from the other.



 
Carl1962 
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Carl1962
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07-19-21 11:03 PM - Post#2823542    
    In response to Mercedes

  • Mercedes Said:
I was recently shown two trim tags. One was totally fake but made with a machine, the other was original.

Although both appeared to be original with wear and age marks, the individual showed me the fake. I could not tell the difference.

What I've learned here is that all of the trim tags, numbers and other parts of the vehicle guarantee NOTHING. However, you should enjoy your vehicle.

Even experts disagree with how to tell one from the other.



You're being way too fast and loose with the term "expert" in regards to trim/cowl tags. I know of only one other actual expert in 60-63 full size Chevy cowl tags and he's now gone (Verne), and he and I never disagreed about how to tell real from reproduction tags.

Post photos of the tags here and test me if you like.

Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


 
rrausch 
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07-20-21 05:14 AM - Post#2823555    
    In response to Carl1962

Carl, the member you replied to has frequently crap-posted on CT. Few here take his posts seriously.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
327 
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07-20-21 06:19 AM - Post#2823560    
    In response to rrausch





 
del.impala 
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07-20-21 09:35 AM - Post#2823568    
    In response to rrausch

:laugh :



 
Carl1962 
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07-20-21 05:30 PM - Post#2823590    
    In response to rrausch

Yeah Robert I know, and anyone with a luxury European car "call sign" in an American working man's car group is simply baiting us all. But calling them out (remember ol' friend (?) Duntov) when they say stupid things is how we deal with them in our own way. I hope he does post cowl tag photos, because if he doesn't then we know he's trying to post misinformation and the moderators can deal with people like that.

Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


 
Mercedes 
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07-21-21 01:16 AM - Post#2823599    
    In response to Carl1962

There was no one cited in the post. The reference to "experts" was just that. A reference.

I did not take photos of those trim tags as I did not feel the need to defend my position by creating a trial on the subject.

The key takeaway here is that anything can and does get faked. The technology exists today to create trim tags to say whatever you want. Because the records on these vehicles are so limited and 60~ years have passed, you buy what you buy.

My advice is for someone who has been convinced that they've hit the lottery on a unique one-off old Chevy, keep in mind that these were built like sausage links and sold to the masses. There are a hand-few of truly unique vehicles, and it seems that every one we see today is some type of "special" model.





 
junky 
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07-21-21 03:04 AM - Post#2823602    
    In response to rrausch

  • rrausch Said:
I once went to rescue an old Chevy that had sat in the woods for many, many years. I was also curious what was in the glove compartment, and finally pried the pass door open and sat down on the seat and opened the glove compartment. I looked in, but didn't see much. The defroster hose was bulging down through the decayed cardboard top of the g.c., and I reached in and pulled out some old dimes and matchbooks and a churchkey. In doing so my wrist rubbed against the "defroster hose", and it muscled up and slithered deeper into the dash. I was out of that car in 1/10th of a second. Later I came back and beat on the dash with a long stick for (I timed it) fifteen minutes before I got up enough guts to reach in and rescue the gauges.



It is only the head of the snake that bites, but I too would have moved quickly if I felt a snake also. Most snakes only bite when confronted and feel threatened. I am not afraid of snakes, but I do respect them, and don't mess with them. They are a necessary part of the eco system, keeping mice and rats in check. As long as their home isn't my home, I am OK with them.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
Mercedes 
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07-21-21 10:05 AM - Post#2823625    
    In response to Carl1962

As mentioned, I did not take photos of the cowl tags and the point was that fakes are becoming the norm. So, before you're convinced that the bread and butter built car is a highly unique item, ask whether a trim tag and hardware can be bought online for $20.

There is no way to validate that the VIN and trim tag go together. General Motors never kept those records and if they were, they are gone to the sands of time.



 
Carl1962 
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07-22-21 04:37 PM - Post#2823715    
    In response to Mercedes

Sorry guys, I can't help myself, maybe I need woke-snowflake therapy? Anyhoo, school's in for eurocrap car owners.

Mercedes (what's your real name anyway?), the reason you never took photos of the cowl tags is because you've already admitted that you haven't got a clue what you're looking at and you obviously don't want to learn because you're offended by anything that forces you to rearrange your prejudice. I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it (quote from Edith Sitwell).

Regarding your comment that I should ask whether trim tags and hardware can be bought online for $20, I can assure you that they cannot. Reproduction (fake) trim tags are currently $185 online, but knowing what the correct codes are for all the things that are associated with a genuine SS at all the different Fisher plants in 61-63 is priceless (and I aint tellin'). Chevrolet built millions of full size cars for the masses every year in the 60's so there's nothing unique about them and I don't recall anyone saying they were.

However, to further your education, whether you want it or not, the approximate price of the things that make a regular 61-63 Impala into a SS 409 are as follows:

Correct 409 about $8-10K+, correct 4-speed (61-62) about 3K, grab bar (61-62) about $400+, bucket seats (62-63) about $1200+, center console about $400+, tach - $400+, SS wheel covers for 61 are about $1K+, but for 62-63 about $200+, SS side trim, badges etc up to $1K+. Then you need a nice sport coupe or convertible upon which to build your fake SS and reasonable ones start at $20K+ or $30-40K+ for a convertible. All of which adds up to a "tribute" SS that's still worth twice, three or four times what a low production "rare" 1961-63 Mercedes sedan is worth, performs better, pulls chicks and makes Mercedes owners look like tools. But I can spot a fake/tribute SS easily, so it's only a matter of time before I get asked to confirm if an SS is genuine or not based on the cowl tag and VIN. By the way, from over a decade of research and learning from other experts, I can also tell if the VIN aligns with the information on the cowl tag, for the date it was built, L6 or V8, and whether the sequence # is consistent for the Fisher/Chevrolet plant it was built at.

School's out, but if you have any questions, feel free to post here.

p.s. Paul S. will have a better idea on current prices of all the SS stuff and car prices because with COVID tax, prices are nuts!!!

Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


 
327 
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07-22-21 05:28 PM - Post#2823716    
    In response to Carl1962





 
Mercedes 
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07-22-21 05:54 PM - Post#2823719    
    In response to Carl1962

Oh yawn yawn. There is simply too many fakes out there. However, to each their own.

For a daily vehicle, I prefer Mercedes. For classic cars, there are only a few models that people find collectible, agreed.





 
327 
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07-22-21 06:22 PM - Post#2823721    
    In response to Mercedes

WELL .... THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.



 
rrausch 
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07-23-21 05:18 AM - Post#2823746    
    In response to Carl1962

  • Carl1962 Said:
......School's out, but if you have any questions, feel free to post here.



PLEASE do not encourage him. We are all sick of his posts.


1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 


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