 elvis
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06-22-21 04:31 PM - Post#2821966
In response to Bad56Sedan
An update...
After ordering a steering pump, front mount brackets from Alan Grove, miscellaneous other parts and returning a pump, ordering a different pump and other miscellaneous parts, we have the CPP 500 box, rag joint, column and steering shaft installed. That's good! Minor box shimming was required to center the steering column through the firewall. That too is good! Once everything is tightened in place, the shift lever tooth drags on the detent bracket. The tooth on the CPP lever is ground to a point to accommodate the angled detent notch for neutral.
We really don't want to grind anything to make this work. Basically, we need another 1/4" to 3/8" between the steering box and the firewall. we're toying with the idea of loosening all the body mounts and moving the body toward the rear of the chassis to gain the 1/4".
Any thoughts?
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elvis
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07-31-21 01:58 PM - Post#2824214
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Hello again,
Here's an update. Thanks to Xvette, we made the CPP 500 steering box and rag joint assembly fit with clearance for the column shifter to move freely without interference. This was accomplished by machining the squared shoulder of the rag joint to a rounded shoulder. That's good! The left front brake line was formed to better fit around the 500 steering box. That's good! The CPP idler arm bearing kit arrived from Summit today. That's good! We're waiting for the 700R4 shifter linkage kit to arrive from JEGS this week. It appears identical to the kit from CPP. That's good! (The CPP kit was out of stock for 3 weeks.) The Alan Grove front mount power steering pump brackets are installed. That's good!
The power steering lines, fittings and pulleys remain on the bench awaiting a saginaw pump. And there is the frustration. I was hoping to use a chrome pump to match the other chrome bolt-ons. We wanted to use the Tuff Stuff 6198A. It's not available for approximately 7 weeks though. We found a black painted unit but really don't want to go that direction.
Any suggestions?
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Jalapeno
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08-09-21 05:24 PM - Post#2824843
In response to elvis
CPP has chrome versions of all their new pumps.
19-6168SB-6PC is the best fit for 55-57 cars. That part number is for the chrome version.
Edited by Jalapeno on 08-09-21 05:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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elvis
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08-11-21 04:56 PM - Post#2824957
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Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, the lead time through Summit is November. With that amount of lead time, I might as well buy the unit from Tuff Stuff with a September 9 delivery date. We bought other steering components for this build from our pals at CPP. Unfortunately, their website is not the most interactive piece to navigate and the site doesn't define whether something is available from stock. I'll phone CPP directly on Thursday morning.
Sadly, covid-era related material shortages are making life difficult for manufacturers.
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Edited by elvis on 08-11-21 05:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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elvis
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08-12-21 10:13 AM - Post#2825012
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Good news! I just ordered the chrome pump from Erick at CPP. They had it on the shelf and will ship it within 5 to 7 days!
Thanks for your help.
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REBORN55
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08-22-21 06:00 AM - Post#2825696
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Great info--my question is what kind of clearance issue do you run into with A/C added--on my 55 I am still using the stock front mounts and when i inatlled the 500 setup with A/C there was very little clearance between fan(5 blade 17 inch fan for A/C?) Very hard to navigate to put fan and pulleys on..have original radiaor recored with 3 cores. The fan blades hit the belt so I have to use a 1/2 inch spacer which brings the fan really close to radiator..especially at the bottom of the radiator. Was thinking about going to a smaller diameter fan with the same pitch or installing stock 4 blade fan..Have talked to others that have actually machined their fan to make it work--hence the unit is still in boxes on the shelf---thanks in advance
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elvis
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08-26-21 10:16 PM - Post#2826056
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Hi Ken,
The fan is an issue. Our rad is a 4 core. Space is definitely at a premium. After not being able to find an electric puller fan that would squeeze between the rad and the motor pulleys, we bought a Vintage Air pusher fan kit. We’ll wire it once we have the steerng sorted out. Until now, we ran a 5 blade fan from the water pump pulley. At low rpm’s, it didn’t have enough pull though to alllow optimal cooling for the A/C though.
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elvis
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10-11-21 01:54 PM - Post#2828979
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Hello everyone,
We have temporarily installed the CPP chrome power steering pump (pt # 19-6168SB-6PC), stainless braided lines from Detroit Speed, chrome keyway pulley and Alan Grove 404L front mount, low position pump brackets on our '57 sbc. The alternator will mount above the power steering pump.
The attached photo shows the temporary layout of the power steering lines. We'll probably fabricate a bracket to hold the 2 lines and bolt to a factory hole on the inner fender. We like the header clearance and the lines do not interfere with the operation of the suspension, steering or polished brake lines. We're not crazy about the return line rubbing on the upper control arm cross shaft though. To limit wear on the stainless braided return line, we were thinking of simply gluing a rubber spacer between the return line and cross shaft. Before we commit to this, does anyone have any photos of their power steering lines connecting to the same CPP power steering pump?
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Edited by elvis on 10-11-21 01:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jalapeno
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11-02-21 02:18 PM - Post#2830114
In response to elvis
How does the pump fit after you install your serpentine belt?
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elvis
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11-08-21 05:41 PM - Post#2830479
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Well, we aren't running a serpentine belt. We're using individual v-belts.
Here are 2 photos of the pump and the lines to the pump. Can the barbed return line fitting be formed to lift about 1/2"? If so, I believe we'll be good to fit the stainless braided return line without rubbing on the a-arm mounting shaft. If not, we need another solution. The line on the right connected to the upper middle part of the pump is the return line.
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elvis
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11-14-21 08:20 AM - Post#2830800
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Another update.
After brainstorming with xvette, we’re going to cut the barbed end of the return line on the pump and attach a Swagelok fitting to angle around the upper a-arm mounting axel. More to follow.
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elvis
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08-28-22 05:45 PM - Post#2846472
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Today, we drove our '57 BA for the time since October of 2019. We finally had time to complete the installation of the CPP power steering and the Vintage Air pusher fan. Shout-outs to Xvette, Mark Hunniford at Vintage Air, the techs at CPP and my neighbour mechanic (Phil).
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09-03-22 03:10 PM - Post#2846730
In response to Bad56Sedan
this is lot of good info thanks. Im looking at power brake and steering for my girl friends 56 chevy
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elvis
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11-19-23 01:09 PM - Post#2864283
In response to Bad56Sedan
Hi everyone,
We like the CPP power steering conversion. It’s the end of the outdoor hot rod season here in the great white north. We filled the car with fuel and stabilizer for the winter. When we filled the car with fuel, the outdoor temperature was around 40 to 45 degrees F. When we started the car and rolled the car out of the garage, the engine temperature hadn’t climbed to a normal operating temperature. While backing the car out of the garage on that cold day, I noticed the steering felt stiff. When the engine temperature reached 170 degrees F, we drove the car back into the garage and the steering felt fine.
Today, I tested the same theory. It’s about 40 degrees F and the result was the same as the previous time out.
We’re using Napa power steering fluid. May we should use something else?
Has anyone else in the cold weather states of the USA or Canada experienced this condition in cold weather?
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Shepherd
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11-19-23 02:53 PM - Post#2864285
In response to elvis
Up here in upstate N.Y., have started my 51 Belair, power rack and pinion, in 20 degree temps, no issues, regular p/s fluid. Of couse you have a std gear box, does it feel normal a few turns left to right? Tight steering in the cooler temps can be caused by something binding in the linkage or suspension.
Edited by Shepherd on 11-19-23 02:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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acardon
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11-19-23 06:01 PM - Post#2864290
In response to elvis
It could also be a slipping belt when its cold.
Don
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elvis
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11-20-23 05:00 PM - Post#2864312
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Thanks guys. Everything clears. I’ll tighten the belt on the p.s. pump next weekend and try again. Snow is forecast though.
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