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Username Post: Power steering conversion        (Topic#364156)
elvis 
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elvis
Loc: Ontario
Reg: 11-10-05
06-22-21 04:31 PM - Post#2821966    
    In response to Bad56Sedan

An update...
After ordering a steering pump, front mount brackets from Alan Grove, miscellaneous other parts and returning a pump, ordering a different pump and other miscellaneous parts, we have the CPP 500 box, rag joint, column and steering shaft installed. That's good! Minor box shimming was required to center the steering column through the firewall. That too is good! Once everything is tightened in place, the shift lever tooth drags on the detent bracket. The tooth on the CPP lever is ground to a point to accommodate the angled detent notch for neutral.
We really don't want to grind anything to make this work. Basically, we need another 1/4" to 3/8" between the steering box and the firewall. we're toying with the idea of loosening all the body mounts and moving the body toward the rear of the chassis to gain the 1/4".
Any thoughts?

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elvis 
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07-31-21 01:58 PM - Post#2824214    
    In response to elvis

Hello again,
Here's an update. Thanks to Xvette, we made the CPP 500 steering box and rag joint assembly fit with clearance for the column shifter to move freely without interference. This was accomplished by machining the squared shoulder of the rag joint to a rounded shoulder. That's good! The left front brake line was formed to better fit around the 500 steering box. That's good! The CPP idler arm bearing kit arrived from Summit today. That's good! We're waiting for the 700R4 shifter linkage kit to arrive from JEGS this week. It appears identical to the kit from CPP. That's good! (The CPP kit was out of stock for 3 weeks.) The Alan Grove front mount power steering pump brackets are installed. That's good!
The power steering lines, fittings and pulleys remain on the bench awaiting a saginaw pump. And there is the frustration. I was hoping to use a chrome pump to match the other chrome bolt-ons. We wanted to use the Tuff Stuff 6198A. It's not available for approximately 7 weeks though. We found a black painted unit but really don't want to go that direction.
Any suggestions?

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Jalapeno 
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08-09-21 05:24 PM - Post#2824843    
    In response to elvis

CPP has chrome versions of all their new pumps.

19-6168SB-6PC is the best fit for 55-57 cars. That part number is for the chrome version.

Jalapeno


Edited by Jalapeno on 08-09-21 05:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
elvis 
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Loc: Ontario
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08-11-21 04:56 PM - Post#2824957    
    In response to Jalapeno

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, the lead time through Summit is November. With that amount of lead time, I might as well buy the unit from Tuff Stuff with a September 9 delivery date. We bought other steering components for this build from our pals at CPP. Unfortunately, their website is not the most interactive piece to navigate and the site doesn't define whether something is available from stock. I'll phone CPP directly on Thursday morning.
Sadly, covid-era related material shortages are making life difficult for manufacturers.

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Edited by elvis on 08-11-21 05:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
elvis 
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08-12-21 10:13 AM - Post#2825012    
    In response to elvis

Good news! I just ordered the chrome pump from Erick at CPP. They had it on the shelf and will ship it within 5 to 7 days!
Thanks for your help.


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REBORN55 
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08-22-21 06:00 AM - Post#2825696    
    In response to elvis

Great info--my question is what kind of clearance issue do you run into with A/C added--on my 55 I am still using the stock front mounts and when i inatlled the 500 setup with A/C there was very little clearance between fan(5 blade 17 inch fan for A/C?) Very hard to navigate to put fan and pulleys on..have original radiaor recored with 3 cores. The fan blades hit the belt so I have to use a 1/2 inch spacer which brings the fan really close to radiator..especially at the bottom of the radiator. Was thinking about going to a smaller diameter fan with the same pitch or installing stock 4 blade fan..Have talked to others that have actually machined their fan to make it work--hence the unit is still in boxes on the shelf---thanks in advance

Ken


Edited by REBORN55 on 08-27-21 09:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
elvis 
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Loc: Ontario
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08-26-21 10:16 PM - Post#2826056    
    In response to REBORN55

Hi Ken,
The fan is an issue. Our rad is a 4 core. Space is definitely at a premium. After not being able to find an electric puller fan that would squeeze between the rad and the motor pulleys, we bought a Vintage Air pusher fan kit. We’ll wire it once we have the steerng sorted out. Until now, we ran a 5 blade fan from the water pump pulley. At low rpm’s, it didn’t have enough pull though to alllow optimal cooling for the A/C though.

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Edited by elvis on 08-26-21 10:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
elvis 
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10-11-21 01:54 PM - Post#2828979    
    In response to elvis

Hello everyone,
We have temporarily installed the CPP chrome power steering pump (pt # 19-6168SB-6PC), stainless braided lines from Detroit Speed, chrome keyway pulley and Alan Grove 404L front mount, low position pump brackets on our '57 sbc. The alternator will mount above the power steering pump.
The attached photo shows the temporary layout of the power steering lines. We'll probably fabricate a bracket to hold the 2 lines and bolt to a factory hole on the inner fender. We like the header clearance and the lines do not interfere with the operation of the suspension, steering or polished brake lines. We're not crazy about the return line rubbing on the upper control arm cross shaft though. To limit wear on the stainless braided return line, we were thinking of simply gluing a rubber spacer between the return line and cross shaft. Before we commit to this, does anyone have any photos of their power steering lines connecting to the same CPP power steering pump?



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Edited by elvis on 10-11-21 01:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


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