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Username Post: 51chevcoupe's 1950 Fleetline Build        (Topic#363036)
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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10-23-20 04:51 PM - Post#2806054    

I finally got my dream car last summer; a 1950 Fleetline 2 door. I have wanted one of these since I was 14 years old (I'm 58 now). Whenever I found one in the past I had no money, and when I had the money there was nothing to be found.
This car is a project for sure- it is a shell on a butchered frame with everything else disassembled. One of the previous owners did a sloppy Nova front clip on it and on top of the sketchy welds it sits too low in the front for my taste and the motor/trans. isn't even in it yet. They also used a Ford Explorer 8.8 rear end under it with 4.10 gears; I'll replace that with an S-10 unit with better gearing and matching wheel bolt patterns.

Okay, so here is the plan. I'm going to replace the frame and install a Mustang II kit on it. I have settled on running a SBC- since I have one in hopefully usable condition, a TH350 transmission, and an S10 rear with either 3.23 or 3.42 gears for the drive-train. I'm going for a mild custom look, nothing too radical; I will be using some of the original trim but I will smooth the body here and there.





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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


Edited by 51chevcoupe on 10-23-20 05:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 




51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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10-23-20 04:56 PM - Post#2806055    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

I bought a '50 Styleline 4 door sedan parts car so I could get the stock frame out from under it. The floors were badly rusted; the floor actually collapsed as we lifted the body so I ended up cutting the firewall and roof apart and removed the body in two pieces. The frame was usable but required some repair due to some rust-through in a few places.





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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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10-23-20 05:11 PM - Post#2806056    
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I got it down to bare frame and the frame had some rust-through in a couple of spots so it needed some repair work. I like to build up the chassis and power-train first on a car, it seems like the logical way to do things (to me anyway, lol) I started off with the frame; I'm using a TCI Mustang II kit up front and a TCI Parabolic spring kit in the rear. It was going to the shop for the repair work and welding of the suspension parts. But it had to be clean first...
This was been my project for for a few days- trying to get all the crud and grunge off of the frame. This is how you scrape the bottom of the frame the 'easy' way.

Sorry- nothing I could do would get the pic to rotate.






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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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10-23-20 05:19 PM - Post#2806057    
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Once the parts arrived, the chassis was taken to the fabricator for the frame repair and installation of the suspension. I did as much of the bolt-on stuff as I could but the welding is beyond the capability of my little 110v MIG welder and my self-taught welding skills.

There were a few hiccups along the way; rack and pinion mounting brackets on cross-member were in wrong place, a couple of small spots on the frame needed some extra attention.






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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
1971BB427 
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10-23-20 06:12 PM - Post#2806061    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

Fleetlines are just plain cool! And it seems they've pretty much dried up these days, so finding one in buildable shape is always lucky!
I personally would keep the 8.8" ford rear axle, as they're bulletproof! And even with 4.10 gears I'd be happy, as I'd use a 700R4 OD trans, so the 4.10 gears would be just about perfect with the .67:1 OD 4th. I love the 700R4 behind my SBC 350 in my '39 Chev. Which also has an 8.8" ford!


1969 Suburban 2wd 350
1939 Chevy pass. coupe 350/700R4
1937 Austin gasser 327/TH350


 
Nite Dragon 
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10-24-20 04:18 AM - Post#2806075    
    In response to 1971BB427

I second keeping the ford 8.8. It should also have a posi unit in it as well. They are the go to easy swap rearends in the v8 s10 world. You can get the hubs predrilled for chevy bolt pattern.



 
1971BB427 
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10-24-20 08:17 AM - Post#2806090    
    In response to Nite Dragon

Or even cheaper and easier than drilling the 8.8" axles for Chevy pattern is to buy front hubs with Ford 4.5" pattern, or have the front hubs redrilled to Ford pattern.


1969 Suburban 2wd 350
1939 Chevy pass. coupe 350/700R4
1937 Austin gasser 327/TH350


 
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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10-24-20 09:31 AM - Post#2806092    
    In response to 1971BB427

I toyed with the idea of keeping the Ford rear end but I already have a TH350 and front hubs with the Chevy pattern as I am going to be using the stock rims. I'm going to keep the Ford unit so if something changes I can always go with it instead.

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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10-24-20 09:34 AM - Post#2806093    
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Back home again, I finally located an S-10 rear end, cut off the unnecessary brackets and ordered an installation kit from Buffalo Enterprises (hell of a guy!) for the smaller 2 5/8" diameter S-10 differential and ordered the necessary parts to install new bearings and rebuild the rear brakes.

While waiting for the rear end parts I dug into my engine to see what I'm going to have to deal with. It came with the project so I had no idea about its condition- fingers are crossed!
When I pulled the valve covers I got a pleasant surprise; a new set of roller rockers were hiding underneath! I pulled the intake manifold and carb (Edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley 750 cfm 4 bbl. with vacuum secondary's and electric choke!) and removed the heads. The heads look good so far but I'll be disassembling them later to check the seats and valve faces, and to install new stem seals. The cross-hatch in the cylinders is fresh and there is no carbon built up on the pistons- I might have lucked into a fresh engine! Tomorrow will tell the tale; I'll be pulling the cam and removing the pan for a look at the crank.

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
Keith_Knox 
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10-24-20 12:44 PM - Post#2806104    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

Great start to a promising build.

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1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1946 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup, stock. Purchased 11/18/17. Sold 9/16/20
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19Chevy50 
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10-26-20 07:00 AM - Post#2806237    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Great to see another 50 Fleetline going to be put back on the road. Good luck with the build and keep the pictures coming its great to see the progress.



 
51chevcoupe 
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11-01-20 05:32 PM - Post#2806798    
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Well the crank and bearings certainly aren't fresh. This motor is kind of confusing- fresh heads and valves, roller rockers, new lifters, pristine pistons and rings, fresh cross-hatch on the cylinder walls. But it has a worn stock Chevy cam and bearings, worn crankshaft and bearings... why do all the new stuff and use tired cam and crank- and why would they drop in new lifters on an old cam? Oh well, just another thing I'll probably never understand. I'll drop in an Edelbrock cam and lifters, new bearings and have the crank turned, new bearings, and it will be a happy small-block.

I turned my attention back to the rear end; I got the brake backing plates straightened (the diff. had been left sitting on the ground with no drums on it which eventually crushed the bottoms of the backing plates) and welded and gave them a quick coat of paint.



Parts arrived so I was able to get the rear bearings changed and get the axles back into place. I installed the rear brakes with all new hardware... which, by the way, has always been my least favorite job on a car- drum brakes have always been a PITA for me. But I got them done, picked up the installation kit from Buffalo Enterprises. and got the rear end mounted onto the chassis.



Next step, mount the body, install the engine and transmission to check for clearance and modify as needed.



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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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11-09-20 05:46 PM - Post#2807374    
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My Walton Fabrication transmission cross-member showed up Thursday and I got to work drilling and grinding rivets to remove the factory cross-member- man those old rivets are tough! Finally got them out and grabbed the Walton unit to set it in place, it's designed to be a straight bolt-in piece in place of the stock cross-member but..... nope. I'll be on the phone Monday to Todd to find out what's up- either I got the wrong part or something. In the picture you can see I placed it on top of the frame and lined it up with the mounting holes in the frame rails, they line up perfectly, no problem there. But the short legs that are supposed to bolt up to the angled supports are way too long like the legs shouldn't be there at all. It looks like the brackets would line up if they were welded straight to the cross-member.





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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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11-11-20 12:35 PM - Post#2807485    
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Talked to Todd Walton yesterday morning, turns out the problem is my frame- the diagonal arms that his cross-member bolt to are longer than they are supposed to be for a 49-50. I checked a buddy's car this afternoon to verify and yep- mine are almost three inches longer than his. Based on the measurements I gave Todd, my weirdo car needs a cross-member for a 53-54. Even though it wasn't his mistake Todd offered to pay to ship this one back and ship me the one I need (Todd is a hell of a guy- he is a strong supporter of these old Chevy's- check him out whenever you need something- or advice for that matter!). Rather than going through all that, I figured I'd just cut the legs off and weld them onto the cross-member where I needed them. Plus it gave me a chance to test drive my new welder- win-win proposition! A couple of hours later, brackets are in the right place and everything bolts up just like it should!





Next step was mounting the engine/trans. combo to verify motor mount placement. Bolted them together and hoisted them into place and yep- everything is just where it needs to be. Then took them back apart and put them away and cleaned up the shop for the day. I'll finish welding the cross-member and motor mounts into place Thursday.







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Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
tommy49 
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11-12-20 05:55 AM - Post#2807569    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

Todd Walton is a great guy to do business with! He'll do what it takes and spend the time to help you. How I take the rivets out without grinding is drill halfway thru the rivet with a 1/8" drill, then halfway with a 5/16" drill. Wobble the drill around in the hole and then use one of these:



It'll send that rivet flying. Quick & easy!



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Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 4.8/4L60E swap in progress, MII IFS, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes, power steering, air conditioning.

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51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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11-12-20 09:29 AM - Post#2807585    
    In response to tommy49

I need to add one of those to my tool shopping list, it would have made the job a lot easier.

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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Loc: Washington state
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11-20-20 07:11 AM - Post#2808145    
    In response to 51chevcoupe

I took the chassis apart over the last few days and spent a little time cleaning up some welds. Yesterday everything got loaded on the trailer and hauled over for sand blasting and powder coating. I'm really looking forward to getting it back and reassembling!

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 
tommy49 
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11-20-20 09:11 AM - Post#2808154    
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Check the frame after sandblasting, before the powdercoat. There may have been hidden frame rot that shows up after sandblasting.

Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 4.8/4L60E swap in progress, MII IFS, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes, power steering, air conditioning.

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51chevcoupe 
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51chevcoupe
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11-20-20 01:18 PM - Post#2808164    
    In response to tommy49

Thanks @Tommy49, great advice!
I went over this morning to drop a few parts that that I managed to leave on the bench (how I missed them when I boxed everything up is a mystery to me) and talked to the owner of the business, he is an old friend of mine, he said he will inspect the frame carefully himself before the powder is laid down. I'm fairly confident that the fabricator that did the frame repair got every damaged area repaired, he is that kind of guy; any area that showed any pitting or scale was sanded and ground down and inspected.
But it doesn't hurt to be cautious and re-check everything, I'll hear from my friend if he finds anything questionable.

Ed
1941 Master Deluxe 2 door sedan- 283/TH350
1950 Fleetline 2 Door project
1950 Styleline 4 Door sedan
1951 Ford Deluxe 4 door sedan- 302/AOD



Still confused after all these years!


 




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