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Username Post: Moving away from Optima...what you suggest?        (Topic#361254)
56_Kruiser 
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06-03-20 03:39 PM - Post#2795575    

I find Optima batteries (using Yellow Top) to be problematic. I've used them in my 56 and my 61. Naturally with those, they may be in garage w/o start for maybe weeks. If I don't put a trickle charge on them they go dead for sure.

The thing in particular that is a pain is that once they get low on voltage (lets say as low as 5v), then a normal charge will not take. You charge it in serial connection to another battery. That is, connect the low Optima to another battery with jumpers, and then charge the battery with voltage.

I'm wanting to move away from that.

Thoughts on batteries I should consider?



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acardon 
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06-03-20 04:35 PM - Post#2795586    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

I switched from Optima to Bosch 2 years ago, for the same reason. The Bosch just failed last week after only 2 years. I'm trying a Champion AGM this time.


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56_Kruiser 
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06-03-20 05:55 PM - Post#2795595    
    In response to acardon

I had an acquaintance tell me that Odyssey were good.



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someotherguy 
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06-04-20 05:16 AM - Post#2795632    
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  • 56_Kruiser Said:
I had an acquaintance tell me that Odyssey were good.




I've had an Odyssey 78-790 AGM in my Silverado SS since December 2017, no problems so far. My starter crapped out around 100Kish miles, installed a new AC Delco starter, and the thing spins so fast it's amazing.

The only rough part is justifying the cost...about $245 shipped for mine at the time.

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65_Impala 
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06-04-20 09:43 AM - Post#2795646    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

Optima batteries really are nothing special. You can find lots of AGM batteries cheaper and with a better warranty.

Just get a cheap battery at Walmart or shop around and find the cheapest battery that still has a decent warranty. Stick an acid absorbing mat under it and go.

The Odyssey are good batteries but they certainly are pricey.

Don't let any car battery stay in a discharged state and definitely don't let it go dead. The maximum amount they should be discharged is well above the level of "dead". Abusing them like that is just reducing their capacity and shortening their life, despite what some manufacturers may claim.




 
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06-04-20 11:38 AM - Post#2795660    
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Most of us use AGM batteries because they are mounted in the trunk, which is open to the passenger compartment. The fumes from lead acid batteries are not only hard on upholstery, they aren't too good for humans either.

Don
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06-04-20 12:50 PM - Post#2795663    
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  • 65_Impala Said:
Optima batteries really are nothing special. You can find lots of AGM batteries cheaper and with a better warranty.

Just get a cheap battery at Walmart or shop around and find the cheapest battery that still has a decent warranty. Stick an acid absorbing mat under it and go.

The Odyssey are good batteries but they certainly are pricey.

Don't let any car battery stay in a discharged state and definitely don't let it go dead. The maximum amount they should be discharged is well above the level of "dead". Abusing them like that is just reducing their capacity and shortening their life, despite what some manufacturers may claim.




I too, have moved on to the cheap Walmart (~$50) batteries for the cars I don't drive much. I leave them on a maintainer https://www.batteryminders.com/1510-12-volt-mainte... if the car is going to sit for more than a few days. Batteries don't care for being abused.

FWIW, lots of folks have been complaining about Optima batteries for the past 4 years https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/aftermarket-pr oduc...

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Edited by paulo57509 on 06-04-20 12:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
56_Kruiser 
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06-04-20 01:59 PM - Post#2795667    
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Where I got bit by the OPtima this time is I had it at a shop (still there) for some trans work. They are dragging their feet. They left the key fob which works by being in range in the car for several days and it ran the battery down. Then they tried to charge it with normal charge which doesn't work.

I brought it home last night and did the proper charging. Left with it at 12v this morning, but quickly it was at 11, then 10. So I suspect it is ruined.

I typically leave it on a trickle charger.



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someotherguy 
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06-04-20 05:19 PM - Post#2795676    
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  • acardon Said:
Most of us use AGM batteries because they are mounted in the trunk, which is open to the passenger compartment. The fumes from lead acid batteries are not only hard on upholstery, they aren't too good for humans either.


Have you considered switching to a battery that has provisions for a vent tube? I've never paid much attention to how common it is, but many modern cars are like this and have a tube that exits the trunk.

Anyway the setup is pretty simple; just a hose with a plastic elbow for the battery connection and a grommet for the hole in the trunk. The hose kits are less than $10. Not sure if all batteries have the provision for the connection, but I've noticed some have two holes and the unused one must be plugged.

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65_Impala 
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06-04-20 06:31 PM - Post#2795683    
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Or use a battery box that vents through the trunk floor.



 
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06-05-20 05:47 AM - Post#2795702    
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  • acardon Said:
Most of us use AGM batteries because they are mounted in the trunk, which is open to the passenger compartment. The fumes from lead acid batteries are not only hard on upholstery, they aren't too good for humans either.



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06-05-20 08:08 AM - Post#2795710    
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Yes, I have thought about making a sealed box, vented overboard. If this Champion AGM fails before it's time, I'm going that route. I have a lead acid in my Corvair that is 11 years old and still cranks it after sitting for weeks.

Don
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IgnitionMan 
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06-07-20 10:34 AM - Post#2795822    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

I gave up on Optima brand batteries a long time ago, they always failed very quickly after installation, or, just didn't work as well as anything else.



 
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06-09-20 08:42 AM - Post#2795982    
    In response to IgnitionMan

I have had good service with Optima batteries. I have 2 that are over 10 years old. Whatever battery you use you need a maintenance charger or it will not last long if you are not using the vehicle often.



 
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06-09-20 10:36 AM - Post#2795988    
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  • corvesy Said:
I have had good service with Optima batteries. I have 2 that are over 10 years old. Whatever battery you use you need a maintenance charger or it will not last long if you are not using the vehicle often.


I think that's just it - the newer ones are less durable. It seems that whenever Optima reliability comes up as a topic, ones that were purchased in the last few years don't last long for some people.

The last one I had I bought several years ago (can't recall, maybe 5 or so?) and it began leaking at the side post terminal, which was a bit surprising. Replaced the battery and the battery cable as it was ruined.

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06-15-20 07:20 AM - Post#2796397    
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I'm having good luck with Optimas. Most all batteries only good for 4 to 5 years with regular use.
But as with any battery, you either have to drive the car very regularly (to keep the charging up) or put it on a battery tender setup when parked for days on end.

Mine are on tenders, and the batteries go for well over 5 years.

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Edited by WagonCrazy on 06-15-20 07:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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06-27-20 08:55 PM - Post#2797348    
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Lead-Acid. The old ways work best.




 
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07-01-20 03:06 PM - Post#2797666    
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  • Stinky Said:
Lead-Acid. The old ways work best.



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07-08-20 12:48 PM - Post#2798225    
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For what it's worth, anybody considering an Odyssey battery might want to be sure you're buying from an "authorized dealer" - since many of us might go online shopping and look at a-zon, -bay, whatever.

I read some ugly reviews on a-zon about Odyssey and they were related to the warranty not being honored due to where the battery was purchased. Any manufacturer can have defects, but a-zon tends to be a questionable source for many items including bootlegs, seconds, returns, and what have you - I can't blame any brand for questioning the source as legitimate.

The reason I was shopping batteries in the first place is my 300 didn't want to start last night. A quick boost with my little jump box cranked it right up, though. Some checking and the battery date code is 2/13, so I can't really be mad at it. While cruising online prices for Odyssey, currently the best price I found is from Autozone! Around $25 or more cheaper than other places, which every dollar counts when you're laying out the bucks for one of these suckers.

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