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Username Post: Pulling a junkyard transmission        (Topic#360372)
1965C-10 
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04-02-20 12:37 PM - Post#2790125    

Tomorrow I plan to go to a pull n save in Phoenix hoping to grab a 700R4.

Yesterday was at the Gilbert location and found a 1989 IROCZ but it had a 5 speed.

Someone else grabbing parts for his Camaro said he had been to the Phoenix location earlier and saw 2 1988 or newer V8 Camaros and both had the auto transmission.

20 years ago I pulled a engine from a self serve yard by myself, was tough.

On pulling a transmission by myself, I'm imagining the steps, the thought of taking the last bolt out and letting transmission down seems nerve racking.

If it just falls and hits the ground, it could damage it, if I let it go on my belly then slide off my belly onto the ground, hmm I have done that before with a 3 speed manual on a 1965 Mustang.

Anyone have any ideas or tips?

Also yes I'm aware a junkyard transmission is a crapshoot, already found a shop to rebuild one, but I have to supply the core.

These things are hard to find now, I want to grab one if there is one.




Edited by 1965C-10 on 04-02-20 12:38 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


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04-02-20 02:31 PM - Post#2790136    
    In response to 1965C-10

Get some help.



 
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04-02-20 02:53 PM - Post#2790140    
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And bring some plywood to lie on, a spare yoke to stop the fluid from running all over you, AND a lot of quarters for the cuss jar. You will be filling it up.
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04-02-20 05:58 PM - Post#2790161    
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my main concern would be related to having several (4)sturdy jack stands, each mounted on individual 2 ft square section of 3/4" plywood allowing about 24 inches of clearance under the car and a good floor jack to get the car rock solid-supported before I started the whole trans removal process.
yeah, a skilled partner would be useful,
obviously having the required tools and a sheet of plywood under the car to keep off the dirt, and allow use of the floor jack to raise or support the engine or transmission would be helpful

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04-02-20 11:16 PM - Post#2790180    
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I'm going to ask if a floor jack is allowed in there.

Also started thinking sawzall might be needed to cut exhaust out of the way possibly, not sure if those are allowed, also my old DeWalt reciprocating saw 18 volt batteries are dead and I was shocked home Depot and Lowe's sells a 2 pack of new batteries for $150.00!

Could just buy a new battery powered sawzall with batteries included, again I'll have to check to see if those are allowed.

Last thing, I kinda wonder if it's dangerous out there with coronavirus.

Yesterday I didn't touch my face and got back in car after searching pull n save, grabbed a disinfectant wipe out of the round container I keep to wipe hands keys doorhandle etc after grocery shopping, cleaned hands of grime and hopefully germs.

I kinda think the sun kills germs on any car stuff exposed to sunlight, but really have no clue.






 
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04-03-20 06:29 AM - Post#2790201    
    In response to 1965C-10

Be very careful, this can be dangerous. Years ago a local police chief was killed pulling a transmission from a junkyard dog. They did not find him right away. Long story short, he blocked the car up but something broke/slipped or moved and it came down on him. Junkyards can be dangerous places.

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04-03-20 06:41 AM - Post#2790202    
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My local pull yard provides a movable hoist. It's rigged up with small car tires. With a little help, we moved it into position to pull an engine. The rest was cut and unbolt. It might be safer to pull the engine and trans out together. A car will be very low the ground. It's a junk car, cut or pull the core support to pull it all out. A little time consuming but safer. One time, we tipped the forklift operator for some help too.

My truck has an 85 Camaro 700R4. The core was good enough to add all kinds of upgrades. It's a teeth rattler at low speeds.

Good luck!

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04-03-20 10:12 AM - Post#2790214    
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I pulled (dropped) a 700R4 at my local U-Pull It yard. My son helped me put is doable for one. It was a rainy day so there was a lot of mud and wet clothes . What we did was use an old tire (hundreds laying around) to brake the fall, then slid it out. This salvage yard puts all their vehicles up on stands, each made from 2 steel wheels welded together.

I was surprised at the price, $75 with a 30 day warranty or $50 without the warranty. Since I planned to have it rebuilt anyway for $500, I skipped the warranty. Been running in my 72 C10 for 3 years now... money well spent!

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04-03-20 07:00 PM - Post#2790266    
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  • gchemist Said:
It's a junk car, cut or pull the core support to pull it all out.


Good luck!




True, but be cautious, incredible what some yards think suddenly becomes "valuable"...LOL



 
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04-06-20 01:20 PM - Post#2790501    
    In response to 1965C-10

If you need a mechanical drive speedometer, try to get one with it. Unless, transmission shop, says they have the parts and ability to configure whatever way you need.
If the car is secured up in air, when you're underneath it, you can always run a ratchet strap, or sling from above(engine compartment) to help you lower it to ground.



 
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04-07-20 06:23 PM - Post#2790594    
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Still didn't make it to junkyard, found someone on Craigslist selling a rebuilt 700R4 for 500 bucks, he says it's sold but the buyer gave him a core.

So same thing stock rebuild and new torque converter and TV cable, said this one will be ready on Saturday.

Says one year warranty, guessing it's someone working out of their house.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/pts/d/phoenix-g...





 
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04-07-20 06:36 PM - Post#2790597    
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The salvage yard said an auto transmission would be $155.00 out the door with no warranty, the $25.00 core charge and tax.

That's me pulling it, and no Jack's allowed in there, said use the big A frame with chain hoist and cut seat belts to make straps, hook seat belt strap to lifting hook on crane and lower down.

I moved one of those A frames across a yard (was a long distance to move) about 3 years ago, it got me pretty good, being older I couldn't breathe just right for a day or 2, I think I pushed my heart/lungs past their capacity.

In fact that day, I gave up on getting the motor mount (a few hundred bucks at AutoZone for a new one, hydraulic engine mount), came back 2 weeks later and the A frame was still there, holding up the engine on the Grand Am.

Was so close to having it but was just beat that day after pushing that heavy A frame, and felt bad and shaky, overheated.

I don't want to move one of those ever again by myself, and no friends want to go to junkyard with me.

Also, you have to move tons of junk out of the way for the wheels on those A frame hoists, engines, transmissions, doors, hoods, trash, body panels, it's a real pain.

The $500.00 rebuilt transmission is looking like a great deal, but part of me thinks it's too good to be true.

What do others think?







Edited by 1965C-10 on 04-07-20 06:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
paulo57509 
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04-08-20 12:24 PM - Post#2790653    
    In response to 1965C-10

I might have missed it in an earlier post, but what are you planning on putting the pulled transmission into?


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5Larry7 
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04-08-20 03:40 PM - Post#2790670    
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I think that getting a possible home built 700R4 is a big risk. Plus if it does go bad, you get to pull it our and so forth. I would spend the extra money and get one from a reputable builder. JMHO

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04-08-20 10:06 PM - Post#2790699    
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1965 C10 short bed, has a 1968 396 big block, 310 HP 400 ft lbs torque gross, or roughly 242 HP and 350 ft lbs net rating, it's pretty mild, but sounds like it has a cam with a little lope.

It is getting Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 multi port fuel injection, will get that put on and dialed in before swap to overdrive transmission.



Edited by 1965C-10 on 04-08-20 10:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-08-20 10:29 PM - Post#2790700    
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I have been looking for months, other than Hughes transmission which is in Phoenix, there is a major builder in California (their warranty page says "warranties are earned, not given"), and a few in Florida, every brand I have researched have had bad stories, also good stories.

One review someone bought one from a major company in Florida, and for some serious money, after the first one failed right away, the 2nd one also failed.

He said it was getting very expensive shipping the transmissions back and forth cross country, company will not pay for that, so he decided to take it to a local shop.

The local shop found that it was a stock 700R4 with a bad valve body, yet he payed for one for a few thousand dollars with lots of upgrades.

I want to try to stay local, found a shop that someone with a built 700r4 recommended, when I called they said I have to find the 700R4 and they will rebuild it stock for $850.00-$1500.00 (depending if it has any hard parts that need replacing) with one year warranty.

The TH400 works fine, except I never got electric kickdown for it, and it has no overdrive.

I will keep the TH400 and the drive shaft for it as a backup.

Most major places, a 700R4 is $2000.00 or more, including the core charge.

I could just stick with the TH400, and just try to avoid freeways.



 
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04-09-20 08:54 AM - Post#2790719    
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FWIW, I have purchased 3 transmissions from Phoenix Transmissions, 1 TH400 switch pitch, (to which I added a Gear Vendors OD), and 2 700R4's) located in Weatherford, TX. I have been very satisfied with their products and customer care. Good luck with whatever you decide on.

http://www.phoenixtrans.com/

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04-17-20 07:19 PM - Post#2791405    
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My 700R4 is blown too for my 89 2wd. I found a local place to rebuild it. But what I noticed, the bigger shops make it a big book of secrets of what they use. I tend to stay away from them because they get salty when you ask questions.
What clutch material are you using? I’m going with alto red eagles clutches with kolene steels. If you can find the 89-92 700R4 they are more beefy to mate on a big block.

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04-17-20 07:36 PM - Post#2791407    
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  • JasonZ Said:
My 700R4 is blown too for my 89 2wd. I found a local place to rebuild it. But what I noticed, the bigger shops make it a big book of secrets of what they use. I tend to stay away from them because they get salty when you ask questions.
What clutch material are you using? I’m going with alto red eagles clutches with kolene steels. If you can find the 89-92 700R4 they are more beefy to mate on a big block.



Its funny you say that because the ONLY 700r4 or 4L60E I have had make it past 100K miles was the stock GM trans in my 83. It had nearly 200K on it behind a 305. I swapped a 350 making more than 350 hp and 400 tq in front of it. Lived about 50K after that. The rebuilder I choose used a 92 core. The later core shifted like garbage. The shift points were nearly 1,000 rpm lower and it searched for OD as quickly as possible. Even playing with the governor never was able to make it shift as well. I put a Transgo 2-3 kit in it as well. Never shifted as firmly as the stock 83 trans.

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Edited by 1983G20Van on 04-17-20 07:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-30-20 12:30 AM - Post#2792405    
    In response to 5Larry7

I can't find warranty information on their site, but the fact you are giving them a good review, looks like this may be the place.

Hughes transmission is close but has a 90 day warranty, also they don't include torque converter.

Question, did you buy 2 700r4 for 2 different vehicles, or was it for 1 vehicle having to replace it?

Decided I'm too old to go pull junkyard transmission in Phoenix summer heat, then put in truck just to see if it works, then pull out to get rebuilt if not.

Also part of me thinks just stick with TH400 and try to avoid long freeway trips, buying 700R4 to save gas may not work out if truck doesn't get driven a lot.

Main reason for wanting 700R4 is for fun, going down road or freeway cruising and floor it and have it shift down and engine perk up.

Also considering TKO600 5 speed manual or T56 magnum, however truck is factory automatic and extra work of adding in 3rd pedal, change steering column to get rid of auto shifter, cut hole for manual shifter.

I think 700R4 would make the truck seem faster without adding more horsepower.







 
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04-30-20 08:06 AM - Post#2792419    
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My first 700R4 by Phoenix Transmissions was a rebuild on my '84 S10 truck. My second was one they built up for my '57 Chevy. I still have that one and it is still going strong. They built it up specifically for my car and engine combo. The TH400 they built up for my '51 Studebaker and included a switch-pitch option, (also called variable pitch torque converter), that GM had in the kid sixties. I added a Gear Vendors overdrive to the back of it. I am not employed by them but I believe in their products and after sale service.

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
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04-30-20 11:55 PM - Post#2792479    
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Larry does the Gear Venders shift as fast and smooth as the mfg says?



 
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05-01-20 12:22 AM - Post#2792480    
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I remember an old post and I think the basics were-- has sat for years, sounded very loud, high revs at 4xmph, needed tires etc.
Your life so do as you wish but if you want a long term good running truck don't try to cut too many corners.
If I wanted long term I would lean in order--- brakes, tires and a good complete exhaust system.
Do you have or can you borrow a tach? Drive it than and you will have good base to go from.




 
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05-01-20 09:05 AM - Post#2792513    
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Yes it does. The way mine is set up in the auto position, it sifts into overdrive at approximately 40 mph

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
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05-20-20 02:46 PM - Post#2794302    
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  • Mel Foye Said:
I remember an old post and I think the basics were-- has sat for years, sounded very loud, high revs at 4xmph, needed tires etc.
Your life so do as you wish but if you want a long term good running truck don't try to cut too many corners.
If I wanted long term I would lean in order--- brakes, tires and a good complete exhaust system.
Do you have or can you borrow a tach? Drive it than and you will have good base to go from.




The truck has been parked on and off over the years, depending on $$ and time.

I bought new tires for it summer 2002, tread is still like new but need new tires for safety reasons,will buy new tires first thing.

Front steering and suspension rebuilt when I converted to power steering and power disc brakes, rear brakes rebuilt also.

Also put in big block rated coil springs on front suspension because 396 was making front of truck low, and it would nose dive when you stepped on brakes, that fixed it.

The exhaust is about what any V8 dual exhaust should be in loudness, but will be reworked with headers and at least 2.5 pipes, found out it's 2.25 inch pipes and one muffler has a loose baffle.

Anyways probably not going 700R4 now, leaning towards 454 swap and don't want a busted or burned out 700r4, stick with TH400 that works good, just need to buy electric kick down kit for passing gear.

Will get rpm tach, or when I install the Edelbrock pro flo, it will show me rpm on tablet, along with other things like timing advance, air fuel ratio and so on.




Edited by 1965C-10 on 05-20-20 02:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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05-20-20 07:44 PM - Post#2794336    
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Ya, your plans are for the best. 700R4 and big block don't go together very well. If you're serious about having an overdrive then do a 4L80e with a controller.



 


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