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Username Post: Title Question        (Topic#360167)
Dustythedog 
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03-15-20 08:33 AM - Post#2788683    

I am considering buying a # 61-327911-1 new cab for a 1952-1953 Chevy pickup from Ecklers. I would like to register and title it as a 52 or 53. Any ideas on how to do this? NYS DMV says a bill of sale won't work. Due to the crazy cost of this cab I want to be sure I have a plan to register it the way I want to before writing the check. Please advise, Thanks



 


Vijay 
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03-15-20 05:39 PM - Post#2788716    
    In response to Dustythedog

Canada COULD be similar to the US in this regard, but here's what I just encountered.

A 57 truck I bought has the original VIN on it. Also has a BC Issued VIN tag right next to it. WHY, I don't know. It went from BC to Alberta, then to Ontario. Ontario used the BC VIN to flip it into my name. Odd but you may be in a similar situation where NYS may issue a new VIN.........

I also tried to bring a T bucket from NYS to Ontario with no luck. Although I could prove the car was on the road (for 1 year), Ontario doesn't allow kit cars to be imported. Really too bad.....



 
RAM_51 
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03-16-20 12:20 AM - Post#2788739    
    In response to Dustythedog

I'm not sure of NYS rules / code or however you want to say it, but I think the issue may be that the vehicle / newly manufactured cab in this case, would have no permently attached number for the DMV to verify.

Would you be okay with the state putting their own number on it? NY doesn't have a provision in their code for custom made vehicles?

I can tell you of my experience in CA with a vehicle I had trouble with there and what I will need to do to get a title for the one I am currently working on that I only have a bill of sale for in WA state, but I'm not sure that would help you.

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'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
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Dustythedog 
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03-16-20 08:32 AM - Post#2788770    
    In response to Vijay

Wow, really sucks about the t bucket. Cool vehicles.



 
Dustythedog 
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03-16-20 08:49 AM - Post#2788774    
    In response to RAM_51

In NY I can get it registered if I do it their way which is give them my receipt for the cab so I can pay tax on it.I also need receipts for all of the other parts like the frame and motor so I can pay tax on all that too.After all that tax they will issue a NYS vin number and a vin plate which would have to be installed by the NYS DOT. Problem for me with that is the year on the new title would be 2020. Not sure what they would call the make but it wouldn't be Chevy. One of our local guys said I could buy an old title from any state for a 1952 or 53 Chevy pickup and use that. Like from a junk yard or from someone that just had an old one and the vehicle was crushed or parted out. That way the year and make would be correct but from what I see on Ebay this is is probably illegal.



 
RAM_51 
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03-16-20 11:03 AM - Post#2788787    
    In response to Dustythedog

Kind of the same in WA. I bought a '51 Fleetline without an engine. transmission and also without a title. I need to assemble the car and present the receipts and allow the DMV to inspect it and examine all of the numbers etc. The car does not have to run or be road worthy....just receipts and visible numbers. Then while they "run the numbers", I am issued a bonded title and after a 3 yeat waiting period...and nothing comes up "hot"...I will be issued an offical WA state title of ownership. Aside from your purchased titel idea...maybe a purchased body serial number plate from the appropriate truck that has been junked affixed to the purchased cab might be an alternative?

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'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
Mick53 
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03-17-20 05:14 PM - Post#2788869    
    In response to RAM_51

Check the price on the cab from Dynacorn, they make it.



 
Dustythedog 
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03-17-20 07:42 PM - Post#2788879    
    In response to Mick53

Thanks for the info, Almost a grand cheaper from them.
One of my neighbors bought a ZZ Top kit car a few years back and wanted to register it as a 33 Ford. He found a guy out west that had a junk 33 Ford and he was able to buy the metal area that had the vin plate as well as the original title. He just grafted the metal to his car and somehow that was all legal. He said it worked because he bought the whole car with the title and just had the piece he needed shipped. Anyone here familiar with that practice?



 
RAM_51 
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03-18-20 11:40 AM - Post#2788922    
    In response to Dustythedog

I worked for a body shop in Bellingham, WA by the name of Thunderbird Vintage [no longer in business]. They were buiding numbers matching rare Mustangs by welding the proper VIN numbers from unrestorable once rare cars into other bodies. Maybe other cars as well. I didn't work there long.

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'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
monty56 
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03-19-20 09:04 AM - Post#2788965    
    In response to RAM_51

The vin swapping is unethical if it is to defaud a customer, but if you buy your own pile of rust(with title) and weld the vin into a replacement body for your own use I don't think it is.

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Dustythedog 
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03-19-20 09:13 AM - Post#2788967    
    In response to RAM_51

Anyone on here know of anyone doing this currently? I think this could work.Thanks for the information.



 
Dustythedog 
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03-19-20 09:20 AM - Post#2788969    
    In response to monty56

Yes, that is exactly what I am looking to do. Buy someones pile of rusty junk as long as it has a title and vin plate and use it for my personal use vehicle. Great post Monty.I would think someone out there has the rusty pile of junk I am looking for too.



Edited by Dustythedog on 03-19-20 09:25 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mick53 
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03-19-20 08:29 PM - Post#2789023    
    In response to Dustythedog

I went through this in Indiana. I played paperwork tag with the state BMV for 3 months. I finally went and talked to our county judge for advice. He wrote in sharpie on their paperwork "ISSUE THIS MAN A TITLE". Two weeks later I had one. Cost $7 and perfectly legal.




 
Keith_Knox 
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03-19-20 10:10 PM - Post#2789026    
    In response to Dustythedog

Did you talk to the manufacturer to see what they say. Here are some links about what you want to do. It is not legal.
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03b 1PHcZ-...

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Keroppi 
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03-20-20 12:53 AM - Post#2789028    
    In response to Dustythedog

  • Dustythedog Said:
I am considering buying a # 61-327911-1 new cab for a 1952-1953 Chevy pickup from Ecklers. I would like to register and title it as a 52 or 53. Any ideas on how to do this? NYS DMV says a bill of sale won't work. Due to the crazy cost of this cab I want to be sure I have a plan to register it the way I want to before writing the check. Please advise, Thanks


I will preface like the others, not sure about NY, but I can tell you that as long as you have a VIN plate for it, you can just stamp the number on it. I'm in California, and on my '46 that was purchased out of state, I needed to get it weighed at a certified scale and then get the VIN verified. I've been told by folks in the Inliners International club that it really doesn't matter if the plate is original or not, and my experience with the dolts at the DMV match that comment.

I took my truck over on a trailer, but the DMV was insistent they couldn't verify the VIN on the trailer, despite the plate being right at eye level. I took it back and got the brakes working and a start issue resolved so I could drive it over to the DMV. The lazy DMV lady asked me if I could read the VIN to her.

That's what you deal with at the DMV.

I also had to go back and forth with the DMV as 1946 only has one license plate, on the rear. I bought a 1946 plate that came from the Board of Equalization for a pneumatic carrier and registered my truck as a Year Of Make.

My '46 pickup weighed 3000 lbs. and can haul 1000 lbs. in the bed. (1/2 ton), so that gives me 4000 lbs. total. For a commercial license it only costs me $45/year after all is said and done. No smog.

Took me a long time to get the title sorted out, but the DMV sent me a title for it and tags, with some small plates to hold the month and year tags.

As long as you have a plate somewhere and it is attached to the body, I think you would be ok, since many people restore old vehicles and put new plates on them.

Here's an ID plate at Jim Carter.

1951-1952 1/2 ton ID Plate at Jim Carter

1953 1/2 ton ID Plate at Jim Carter

Alan
"Keroppi" - 1946 Chevy 1/2 Ton Pickup


 
Shepherd 
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03-20-20 08:08 AM - Post#2789047    
    In response to Keroppi

I can tell in NYS you cannot remove or alter a VIN plate for any reason, that said no one is looking over your shoulder, unless someone brought the issue to DMV. Without a registration or title and bill of sale, all matching, it is tough to register the car here.



 
wagonman100 
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03-20-20 06:52 PM - Post#2789078    
    In response to Shepherd

Using the VIN from another vehicle is illegal in all states. That being said, there are things you can do. I bought my Nomad with no title, but it did have a VIN tag that was unfortunately knocked off of the vehicle. I probably could have used JB Weld to reattach it, but I didn’t want to risk a big hassle with the MVA. In Maryland to get a title you need the signature of the last registered owner, so I registered it in Maine. Maine does not issue titles for vehicles over 15 years old and you don’t have to be a resident of Maine to register a car there. They need a bill of sale, insurance and a notarized form giving the tag and title agency in Maine power of attorney to “sign” your name to register the vehicle. You have to pay taxes on the purchase amount. Then I became the last registered owner, filled out the forms in Maryland, paid taxes on the purchase price again, paid the fees and got a clear title in my name.

So while it isn’t exactly legal to do so, you would not be defrauding anyone to buy a junker truck to get a title and possibly a VIN plate, use the bill of sale for that truck and title your new cab in your name. They wouldn’t even have to look at the vehicle. At least they didn’t in my case. You could probably just make up a VIN tag and affix it to the cab if you couldn’t use the junkers tag. Most MVA employees don’t know what a VIN tag from back then looks like even if they did have to look at it.

Yes, you have to pay taxes twice, but if you buy the junker cheap, it won’t be much money. You also have to make sure New York will issue a title with the signature of the last registered owner. Just ask your Motor Vehicle Administration how to register a car that doesn’t have a title. Act like you just moved to New York.

I did this years ago and I have heard people say they couldn’t do it after trying this method. One even said they started requiring a certificate of road worthiness, but I did not. Another told me he was told they didn’t register cars that old, but I believe he misunderstood. The name of the agency I used was the Staab agency in Maine. Hope that helps.

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Dustythedog 
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03-24-20 01:43 PM - Post#2789389    
    In response to Keith_Knox

I did reach out to Dynacorn but haven't heard back as of today. Probably this virus thing holding up their response. NYS DMV will title it based on my receipt but the year will be 2020 and I believe the vehicle would be listed as a custom.Not the way I want to go.Unless I can find a totally rusted out p.o.s. that has a vin tag and a title and buy the whole truck I will probably forget the whole idea of buying a replacement cab and actually build the p.o.s. Probably cheaper and more fun that way anyway.



 
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03-30-20 10:54 AM - Post#2789812    
    In response to Dustythedog

For a time you could purchase a completely neww 57 chevy body but you needed to keep the firewall from the old one so as to maintain the original numbers etc.,could you not just switch the body as parts to the old firewall and use those numbers, which would leave a little problem with the serial plate on the door pillar if there is one.

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Dustythedog 
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04-01-20 05:53 AM - Post#2789963    
    In response to 2blu52

Thanks for the information. I think this could still work. All I would need to do is purchase a rusty old truck that had basically no value as long as the title was good and the vin tag was intact and just cut off the areas that had the numbers and graft them into the new cab. It would be a kind of what happens in my shop stays in my shop sort of thing. I am sure there are some of those old rusty relics laying around somewhere, just need to locate one somewhat close to me.



 
Dustythedog 
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04-01-20 05:59 AM - Post#2789964    
    In response to wagonman100

Thanks, I will definitely look into this method. Dynacorn hasn't responded as of today. Could be they are not working due to the virus thing.



 
monty56 
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04-01-20 10:41 AM - Post#2789988    
    In response to Dustythedog

You should chek out Premier Streetrods website.

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Dustythedog 
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04-02-20 12:06 PM - Post#2790120    
    In response to monty56

Thanks Monty, I sent them an email regarding the title question for New York state. Hopefully they will respond.I will let you know what I find out.



 


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