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Username Post: Manual Steering Rebuild        (Topic#359837)
69_BOWTIE 
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02-16-20 07:12 PM - Post#2786688    

Anyone know of a kit to rebuild my manual steering box. I have tried to adjust but still have slack, all new front suspension.63 Impala

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


Edited by 69_BOWTIE on 02-16-20 07:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


junky 
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02-16-20 09:01 PM - Post#2786695    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

How did you attempt to adjust the steering box? Please give a detailed description of what you have done or how you did it..

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ragtp66 
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02-16-20 09:29 PM - Post#2786696    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

Larescorp i know rebuilds them I do not know if they will sell you a rebuild "kit". Here is a guide to adjusting from them https://www.larescorp.com/tech-tips-articles/sk inn...

I know I have seen the ball bearing kits on FEEBAY for sale but I am not sure how many other parts will be avialable.




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dgstarr 
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02-16-20 10:22 PM - Post#2786697    
    In response to ragtp66

I priced rebuilding kits and found that Lares rebuilt steering gears purchased from Rock Auto were not that much more expensive when you send them your core after the replacement. Note: The power steering cars have a different gear ratio. Be sure you order the correct one. I have had excellent service with the Lares rebuilt unit on my PS 62 Impala.

Dave





 
junky 
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02-17-20 04:33 AM - Post#2786703    
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  • dgstarr Said:
I priced rebuilding kits and found that Lares rebuilt steering gears purchased from Rock Auto were not that much more expensive when you send them your core after the replacement. Note: The power steering cars have a different gear ratio. Be sure you order the correct one. I have had excellent service with the Lares rebuilt unit on my PS 62 Impala.

Dave

I had just the opposite experience with my '69 Cadillac. Three Lares units were defective, and I wasted just shy of $800 having the units installed and removed. Finally found an independent rebuilder to do it correctly. I am not saying that Lares is a bad company, but it is always the proficiency of the person doing the work that determines if it is good or bad. Today, many of the critical parts are no longer available, and if they don't have the needed part that wears out on all of them, then what are they to do? Put it back together with worn parts? That is what happened with my Caddy box. The independent that I found was machining his own parts.






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69_BOWTIE 
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02-18-20 04:53 PM - Post#2786809    
    In response to junky

I just loosened the top set screw and turn the set screw in till it touched than backed off a tad and locked it down. Box is not leaking or anything I can grab the steering shaft and turn it back and forth and see the tires turning and everything is nice and tight.I might try the adjustment where you center everything back up and see if it helps.

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
junky 
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02-18-20 08:34 PM - Post#2786823    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

OK, now that I know how you made the adjustment, I don't believe that you damaged the box, however, it will be best to disassemble and clean to determine the exact condition. If all looks good, just put seals, bearings, & balls into it. What you have to do is separate the box from the car, and put it into a vise to hold it. It is your choice if you want to rebuild it or just adjust it.
When you tighten the screw at the top of the box, you must have the steering worm at the top of the box. This is when the steering wheel is set exactly straight ahead, and there is a mark at the top of the steering column shaft that the steering wheel aligns to.
There is no way to know the condition of the box without disassembly. The 1961 factory shop manual gives exact directions on how to do this. It is worthwhile to do it correctly the first time!
I pulled up the page for the Corvair steering box, which is very similar to the full size car box, so you will have a reference. I haven't done a full size Chevrolet box, however, I have done quite a few Corvair boxes, and they are not difficult if you follow the instructions in the manual.
http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?show_p...

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69_BOWTIE 
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02-19-20 07:16 AM - Post#2786836    
    In response to junky

OK thanks when I pulled the fill plug it looked pretty nasty. I have the 63 supplement but it doesnt really say much on the rebuild. What are you refering to as a mark on the collum ,seemed to me it was a notch on the splines is this what we are refering to as a mark?

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


Edited by 69_BOWTIE on 02-19-20 07:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
omarine 
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02-19-20 07:42 AM - Post#2786840    
    In response to junky

if the worm gear and the steering lash are both reset to factory specs, and there's no leak, then the box should be good.

if there is still some play, then look at the rag joint and rotate it with your hand to look for any slop in it. that can cause some wander for sure.

61 Impala bubbletop, 283, 2bbl Rochester, generator, points and drum brakes- daily driver
'49 Harley Davidson FL - Panhead


 
junky 
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02-19-20 10:36 PM - Post#2786897    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

Yes, I was referring to the mark on the shaft at the steering wheel end that indicated the exact center of the steering box.
You will need the 1961 Factory Shop Manual to do any rebuilding or adjustments, because the supplements don't have that much information, except for what changed from the original 1961 manual. It was less expensive to issue supplements, than completely new manuals each year.

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junky 
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02-19-20 10:44 PM - Post#2786898    
    In response to omarine

  • omarine Said:
if the worm gear and the steering lash are both reset to factory specs, and there's no leak, then the box should be good.

if there is still some play, then look at the rag joint and rotate it with your hand to look for any slop in it. that can cause some wander for sure.



I agree with your first paragraph, however, there is no reasonable easy way to reset the box to factory settings without first removing it from the car. If you are going to take it off the car, then you might as well open it up and inspect it. After 50 years, that original grease isn't the best, and that is the only way that you will know the condition of the bearings and the balls in the worm gear. I have a NOS one, and even that one you can't turn because the grease has hardened. Only way to use it will be to soak it in thinners and disassemble. Most steering boxes are ruined by people not following the proper procedure in the adjustments. To properly adjust the box, you have to first remove the end play, and that is the thing that almost no one does. They just screw down on the top screw until it is tight, and that is when the damage is done.
Oh.. the reason that the seal might not leak, is because the gear lube is so thick that it can't leak out.

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69_BOWTIE 
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02-20-20 04:27 AM - Post#2786905    
    In response to junky

I have done a frame off on this car a year ago,this is my last item to deal with.I think I'll pull it back off and have a look see and go from there Thanks

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
omarine 
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02-20-20 06:27 AM - Post#2786912    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

agree with everything Junky stated. I got lucky with my 61, and was able to dial it in on the car, it wasn't leaking and it rotated freely. the manual outlines the process well and the worm gear MUST be adjusted first with the lash taken out of the top screw first.

The pitman arm also has to be off at the box. the fish scale method is what i used to measure the preload....



61 Impala bubbletop, 283, 2bbl Rochester, generator, points and drum brakes- daily driver
'49 Harley Davidson FL - Panhead


 
69_BOWTIE 
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02-20-20 08:31 AM - Post#2786917    
    In response to omarine

Yep that is the way mine is turns great and no leak's.More or less give her a fresh lube job LOL

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
69_BOWTIE 
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02-21-20 04:49 PM - Post#2787014    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

Got it all pulled apart today and it looks real good. Cleaned it all up and haven't found anything bad, a little rust spot on the pitmanshaft gear a little emery cloth and cleaned up good.now to find a kit

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
4dr 57 
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02-26-20 01:14 AM - Post#2787362    
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Why not just buy a new Borgeson box? They have the capability to manufacture the important parts (worn out) in these old boxes.

The also have a couple ratios available depending.

Stan

It's all good. mostly




 
dcairns 
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02-26-20 10:00 AM - Post#2787383    
    In response to 4dr 57

And as a reminder to folks, it is good to service the grease/oil in these things once and a while.

I <cough cough> kinda neglected mine for a few decades and, ahhh, well.... things can get nasty, even nice climate like California,
Needless to say, I had to have mine rebuilt with a lot of new parts.






- Dave
1964 Impala 4-door sedan



 
69_BOWTIE 
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02-26-20 01:26 PM - Post#2787395    
    In response to dcairns

Well my theory was to get a kit for a resonable price and rebuild it.Yeah so that's not going to happen the vintage car tax put a road block on that.Got a couple seals comming in friday will try that first and may just get the new reman. box .

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
junky 
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02-27-20 09:21 AM - Post#2787454    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

Where are the seals coming from, and what are the part number? The bearings are available.. Part #SA17 or GM5666693. Races are a little more difficult to find.

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69_BOWTIE 
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02-27-20 06:53 PM - Post#2787484    
    In response to junky

Seals are National #474131 worm gear seal,National #313842 pitman seal both ordered form Rock auto

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 
69_BOWTIE 
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02-29-20 08:45 AM - Post#2787593    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

Seals did fit good Rock auto shows a differant # for the worm gear that was to big, so I looked up a 64 C1O and it was the size I needed.JFYI

2001 Silverado 4X4
2005 FXDWGI
69 CHEVY Short Step
63 IMPALA 2/DR HRDTOP 327


 


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