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Username Post: Jaguar IFS        (Topic#359771)
drew1987 
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02-10-20 01:21 PM - Post#2786242    

Hey all,

Decided to go with the jag. I had been 99% on the camaro but for many reasons, the biggest being I cannot afford the space in the garage that long, I bailed on it. The jag doesn’t involve critical leveling and I can move the car against the wall when I am not working on it. I purchased some dollies




I have a 1986 Jaguar XJS front end. Looks very solid. Will need calipers pads and maybe rotors. Older stuff like that didn’t warp like today and they are totally flat so I may wirewheel then and run them.

I am creating this as a place to post my progress for those who are interested.

So far I have one question: how come nobody has made longer brackets and run the stock jag shocks? Ride softness and smoothness is my main goal so whatever shocks are best for that is what I want to get


Best

Drew

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Edited by drew1987 on 02-10-20 01:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 02:19 PM - Post#2786244    
    In response to drew1987

This just simply for additional information.

READ BELOW CAREFULLY!!!!!!!
This ONLY applies to a stock front suspension that has been properly rebuilt, greased regularly, properly aligned, and well balanced radial tires!

On the way to the airport Saturday (45min drive on the Interstate) to work on the bomber, a Dodge pickup (they call them Ram today) was going to blow the doors off of the rusty POS 51. He could not get it done! No, I do not know how fast I was finally going. A 51-52 speedometer only goes to 100 and I had the needle past the straight down position.
My point?
At that speed, the 51 tracked true and steady with no issues --------------- bone stock 51 suspension and steering (although, the steering box is from a 54). RPM was about 4500 (I quit looking after 4000rpm).

Trust me, I have ZERO issues with a Jag frontend (or any other), but in top condition, these early frontends are pretty darn good. AND, in addition to that, REMEMBER, Chevrolet used this exact frontend on the 53-62 Corvettes!!!!!!!!!!!





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02-10-20 02:26 PM - Post#2786247    
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The stock Jag Shocks Have a 50 pound spring in them They also get real close or hit to the inner fender.



 
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02-10-20 03:31 PM - Post#2786255    
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Dz good to hear from you! Hope you’re well and enjoying the plane work. I trust you’re responsible so no judgment here. By GPS my car has done 102mph in an environment where the only casualty would have been me.

I do believe in these front ends as nice riding and it handles well. But mine is past it’s prime and I want the upgrades. I’m going to make the change reversible and hopefully find somewhere to store my stock front until I’m dead and gone then my son car scrap it. The only permanent damage will be to the column but if it ever was returned to stock I’d do a camaro pitman, 30 ford ball, Astro van gear.


Cbmkr thanks for that. Those are some GOOD reasons lol. I saw guys use ford ones. Just want the smoothest ride I can get


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DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 03:48 PM - Post#2786257    
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  • drew1987 Said:
Dz good to hear from you! Hope you’re well and enjoying the plane work. I trust you’re responsible so no judgment here. By GPS my car has done 102mph in an environment where the only casualty would have been me.

I do believe in these front ends as nice riding and it handles well. But mine is past it’s prime and I want the upgrades. I’m going to make the change reversible and hopefully find somewhere to store my stock front until I’m dead and gone then my son car scrap it. The only permanent damage will be to the column but if it ever was returned to stock I’d do a camaro pitman, 30 ford ball, Astro van gear.


Cbmkr thanks for that. Those are some GOOD reasons lol. I saw guys use ford ones. Just want the smoothest ride I can get




So far, we have progressed on the restoration so that we can make hi speed taxis down the runway, but NOT QUITE ready for wheels up.
Turn up the volume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRV6jVEStYk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YGeedD0W90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpz3ZAvnxE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWW3c0qRpvQ



 
drew1987 
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02-10-20 06:43 PM - Post#2786270    
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Downright awesome! The pane's condition when you all started was completely inoperable, correct? awesome project

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DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 09:45 PM - Post#2786280    
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  • drew1987 Said:
Downright awesome! The pane's condition when you all started was completely inoperable, correct? awesome project



Yep, It has been a TOTAL (air)frame off restoration.
Here are just a few pictures of the past 20yrs of progress.



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DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 09:51 PM - Post#2786281    
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DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 09:58 PM - Post#2786282    
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DZAUTO 
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02-10-20 10:04 PM - Post#2786283    
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This is what it will look like (photoshopped) when finished, flyable, painted and going to airshows around the country.



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02-11-20 04:40 AM - Post#2786285    
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Amazing work and dedication by your crew, DZ.

Dean50



 
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02-11-20 05:27 AM - Post#2786286    
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Very nice.




 
drew1987 
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02-11-20 05:40 AM - Post#2786289    
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Cool is an understatement. It’s truly amazing

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DZAUTO 
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02-11-20 08:13 AM - Post#2786296    
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This was our very first engine (these videos were all 11yrs ago), after a TOTAL rebuild (NOT just an overhaul) at the engine facility in Okla City.

Pulling it outside for the very first startup and 6hr test run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FbbQ_MctRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-_9QvKaG64


After the 6hr test run, we're loading it on my trailer to transport it to the airport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQCfBvyT4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwjH4AUWX3Q

This was several years ago after we moved to a bigger hanger in Guthrie, OK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPn7zghSEZ8




 
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02-11-20 08:29 AM - Post#2786300    
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In Oct 2009, we are FINALLY attaching the first (right) wing. A major milestone after several years of rebuilding the wing as a result of a MAJOR structural broken wing spar.
We have NEVER, EVER done this before, so we learned as we go. My earlier background on aircraft repairs was sheetmetal and structural repairs on B52s at Tinker AFB. EXCELLENT experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjBU4u4yR2U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiMbE1Lh_FE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S10OaghkSQ



 
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02-11-20 08:58 AM - Post#2786301    
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  • DZAUTO Said:
My earlier background on aircraft repairs was sheetmetal and structural repairs on B52s at Tinker AFB. EXCELLENT experience.




B52 engine mechanic, K.I. Sawyer AFB, Wurtsmith AFB,
U-Tapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield, Thailand


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DZAUTO 
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02-11-20 09:05 AM - Post#2786302    
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Moving from Okla City to the bigger hanger in Guthrie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz_YL2OMHUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-iXTUj7Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSpj0mxPpm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQuuXM_Vibs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcaPXbV0QIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVeKbB6yYfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBJFmho0AVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lg-WVduYb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM59jl1Pils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jatRmAGwV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfCxrZBH694




 
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02-11-20 10:24 AM - Post#2786312    
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Radial engines have always fascinated me and I know nothing about them. Considering the two engines turn opposite direction from each other I was wondering if the internals of the engines are interchangeable or if they are engine specific.

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DZAUTO 
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02-11-20 12:54 PM - Post#2786319    
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  • Coaldalecar Said:
Radial engines have always fascinated me and I know nothing about them. Considering the two engines turn opposite direction from each other I was wondering if the internals of the engines are interchangeable or if they are engine specific.



Ours turn the same direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Xrm0JBeDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uor6_xxMEA0


And all 4 engines on a B29 turn the same direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmIqQ53G3LE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_pcSXjwRUw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7lf9peNZ-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmeMk0wmsrM

One day when we were working on our A26, we asked the B29 crew if they could make a pass over our hanger ------------------- they did ----------- 2 passes!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anvhMeA03HQ



 
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02-11-20 03:20 PM - Post#2786331    
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Hey other small question - the crossmember will still be a usable jack point right?

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02-11-20 03:40 PM - Post#2786333    
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  • drew1987 Said:
Hey other small question - the crossmember will still be a usable jack point right?



Do you mean on the 51? If so, yes.



 
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02-11-20 07:16 PM - Post#2786338    
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Attaboy, Tommy and DZ.
Keeping BUFF flying for decades!

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02-11-20 07:16 PM - Post#2786339    
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No I meant my car or any other with the jag ifs. I always use the crossmember to lift the front. On all of our cars actually



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02-11-20 07:22 PM - Post#2786340    
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I do not know, I never lifted a car with a Jag frontend.



 
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02-12-20 02:40 AM - Post#2786346    
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I was at the Reinsdorf Airfield south of Berlin Germany and was walking around thru some of the hangers and there was a Stearman being rebuilt and next to it was a russian Antonov . It was pretty amazed to stumble on to these.



 
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02-12-20 05:34 AM - Post#2786347    
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The radial used on the C-124 Globemaster was nothing short of amazing, and there were 4 of them.

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02-12-20 07:28 AM - Post#2786356    
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When I went to A & P school, we built R-985 radials from piles of parts and ran them on stands at night. A sight to see!

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02-12-20 08:44 AM - Post#2786362    
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  • 2blu52 Said:
The radial used on the C-124 Globemaster was nothing short of amazing, and there were 4 of them.



Those are 4 row Pratt & Whitney 4360 (4,360 cubic inches) radial engines, 28 cylinders per engine!!!!!!!!

The engines on our A26 are P&W 2800-79 (the -79 is simply a model number of the 2800 series).


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02-12-20 10:43 AM - Post#2786373    
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I believe so, but I haven't read any particulars about jacking points yet. When I was restoring SWMBO's '76 XJ12 I routinely jacked the front end up using the crossmember.

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02-12-20 07:34 PM - Post#2786396    
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Good to know. I do that a lot. My es300 and my wife’s odyssey, both very old, have jack points in the middle of the front bar of the square subframe.I don’t like when I work on a car that doesn’t have that Jack point.

Tonight I put the Chevy on dollies. My garage is so cramped as I’ve been preparing cars to sell and had it against the wall

First disappointment. The dollies don’t make it easy to move. In fact it’s extremely difficult. I am hoping it’s cause 4 of the 16 wheels are on thin rubber welcome mat. I will remove those next time I get a chance to work out there on something for me. So hopefully this month. Just getting it on dollies is an accomplishment. A job a business 2 toddlers a new baby and a complete remodel on the house has been a bit overwhelming.

I am quite blessed don’t get me wrong but doesn’t leave time or enthusiasm for this. But driving it is a joy and this will make that way better and more frequent

That Lexus is one of my projects for the business. It’s not mine

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Edited by drew1987 on 02-12-20 07:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


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