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Username Post: 1967 Camaro - Final considerations        (Topic#359509)
drew1987 
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01-18-20 07:08 PM - Post#2784619    

Hey guys

I’ve been quiet a while. Miss this site. Had a new baby, been doing construction on our home, and started a business (and still have my day job)

So the Camaro front end. It’s sitting in storage, all the bits ready to go. I just cannot decide if I want to do it because I genuinely LIKE the feel of an old car going down the road. The soft, floaty suspension.. the 50’s feel. The car actually has a nice ride when not going over sharp bumps. I do not want to give up the old car feel or the soft sedan ride. That’s why mustang is out. I get the appeal, but I don’t want to feel like in driving a newer car. I just want power steering and no play from work brass. Also the better drums and serviceability

Can someone who has had our car before and after a Camaro swap, who LIKES a soft floaty 50’s ride, comment on how the car rides now compared to stock? Just seems like most want a 2017 camaro so when they upgrade they go for that. I want a 1990 caprice, if that makes sense.

Any feedback would help

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01-18-20 08:00 PM - Post#2784622    
    In response to drew1987

Hi Drew
I put Camero clip on a 49 Ford pickup and it worked out great. But my 50 Chevy coupe has a stock front end (rebuilt with disc brakes). I wish it had power steering but other then the parking I don't mind the stock front end on my 50 it drives great. I sold the pickup but will always have the chevy. Go figure good luck with what ever you decide.



 
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01-19-20 06:09 AM - Post#2784646    
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Yea I like the way my car rides and handles as well (when I imagine it without the 50-65 wobble that has me going 70 everywhere). It’s the wear and the lack of power steering that has me seeking better.

So your truck rode nice? Like as nice and soft as your coupe’s stock front end? This is where it gets complicated. A person who prefers a 2019 camaro’s tight stiff ride (which is the majority) would say something different then a person who favors a 1975 Cadillac. I’m the latter for sure. So would you say the 67 camaro on the truck gave it a 50-70’s sedan ride or a sports car ride?

And thanks

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Edited by drew1987 on 01-19-20 06:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-19-20 09:54 AM - Post#2784661    
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I re-posted this if it will help you out...

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...

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Mike JW 
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01-19-20 11:02 AM - Post#2784665    
    In response to drew1987

Hi Drew
You have to remember the front end of the truck was leaf spring so there was a big difference in the way it rode. I've never put a Camero clip on a coil spring front end like our cars so I'm not sure how much difference their would be. The newer front end would get rid of the built in bump steer we get with our cars but one gets used to that. Power steering would be nice but not sure it would be worth the effort. Good luck with what ever you do.



 
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01-19-20 06:23 PM - Post#2784691    
    In response to Mike JW

Thanks. I guess I want the ride of a 1955 with power steering. Thats a pleasant riding car. I just dont want to end up with a sports car feel. Maybe I should be trying to find someone that will let me drive their 1967 camaro… I'll assume however that is it will be a touch better becuase my car is 300lbs heavier

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01-19-20 06:26 PM - Post#2784692    
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Hey dave much appreciated but in the end this car has to get a new front suspension... just need to make sure I choose the right one

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Edited by drew1987 on 01-19-20 06:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-20-20 02:10 PM - Post#2784752    
    In response to drew1987

drew rebuild it is not that hard. The ride is like stock. I took mine out of the car and put on engine stand like the sticky in this forum. Mine turned out great even replaced the coils. R&R'd everything and I liked everything in the end and did not have to cut up my frame!



 
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01-20-20 04:49 PM - Post#2784765    
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Wiskey1954 is right don't cut it up rebuild it. Find another way to get the power steering. Your not riding on leaf springs.



 
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01-20-20 06:29 PM - Post#2784773    
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You can add electric power steering. If I remember correctly Fritz on the rebuild of his 53 Pontiac added Electric power steering . It may be in his build documentation

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01-20-20 06:41 PM - Post#2784775    
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I just don’t think I want to deal with this front end anymore. The dropped uprights make the brake hoses rip out so I added steering stop and now the radius sucks. No power steering. Yes I’m familiar with the electric power steering. Toyota Prius is good. But I’m not not even sure my steering gear is good

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01-21-20 04:50 AM - Post#2784791    
    In response to drew1987

I put a Camaro front clip in a 50 F1 Pickup for a guy about 15 years ago. He's been extremely happy with it ever since. I have driven it several times myself and its the best driving clipped car I have done. Not stiff riding at all, probably due the extra weight and we even had use big block springs to keep the fenders off of the tires in a turn. Used all the Camaro stuff like Steering column, power steering, power brakes,(used a smaller booster due to space restrictions).

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01-21-20 06:27 PM - Post#2784847    
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so it rides "old and floaty" still?

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01-22-20 04:56 AM - Post#2784867    
    In response to drew1987

I wish I would have gone the Camaro clip or Jag route on my 53 Sport Coupe. I did not want to spend the money to rebuild the ancient front suspension which needed king pins. I put a Chassis Engineering Mustang II under it but not happy with the ride. I can feel every bump in the road and the suspension I chose was not available with PS. Looking to do something with it this spring. Don't know what yet.

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01-22-20 06:30 AM - Post#2784873    
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  • drew1987 Said:
so it rides "old and floaty" still?[/

I wouldn’t say soft and floaty but it rides and handles much better than the truck did on the stiff leaf springs. So I guess we’re comparing apples to oranges here. Soft and floaty may have been ok on the roads of yesterday but can sometimes not be the best thing in today’s traffic.


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01-22-20 10:30 AM - Post#2784894    
    In response to GreatNorthWoods

My 51 with the Fatman M11 setup rides pretty well, I replaced the control arm bushings with the softer type urethane, Kyb gas shocks of the right length and travel, and 30 psi 205x65 ft. radials. Handling is excellent. Slight positive camber will soften some road of the shocks.



 
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01-23-20 07:02 AM - Post#2784958    
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Yep, The Jag ride is sweet installation is easy and all the parts if you need any are readily available.
I have put 5 of these in 49-54 cars one being in a sedan delivery everyone was very impressed with the ride and handling.
My installs are bolt in and the original frame is not cut.
I had one customer request his be welded in.



 
drew1987 
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01-23-20 04:19 PM - Post#2785001    
    In response to cbmkr56

Thanks all. Best I can say is that I don’t want a 2019 Camry ride. I want like a 1995 crown Vic or caprice.

As long as the camaro is “stiff” like a new camaro, it could work.

As for the jag, got a photo or the ride height? Tough to find a rust free jag here...

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01-23-20 05:19 PM - Post#2785006    
    In response to drew1987

Here it is, back is lowered 2", front stock Jag

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01-23-20 07:18 PM - Post#2785015    
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Hold the phone... Kiwi always said it dropped the car 3/4 of an inch... My car is lowered 2" or more and that car looks lower than mine... How far down would you say that is from stock? is that with mounting places? I can see just making 1/4 places with the same mounting holes as the stock piece and welding them to the jag X member. I will, however, never understand (doesn't mean I wouldn't do it) how there isn't a risk to tear that thin jag metal when it meets the plates... Somebody'd be doing me a favor if the explained the physics/engineering behind it


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01-23-20 07:18 PM - Post#2785016    
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Also that looks wider than stock, does it rub the fenders?

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01-24-20 03:03 AM - Post#2785034    
    In response to drew1987

No it doesn't, wheels are 1.5 wider than stock. Tires are bigger also.



 
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01-24-20 03:06 AM - Post#2785035    
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I'm not really sure what yo are talking about thin Jag metal. The frame on these cars is very thin and i know for sure the jag cross member is thicker than the chevy is. Not really sure if you can figure out what you want to do GOOD LUCK.



 
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01-24-20 05:22 AM - Post#2785046    
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What I mean is, there are relatively small contact points from the plates to the jag... that part of the jag, of I remember, is like 10 guage or so. Not doubting anyone, just want to better understand.


So you agree its 3/4" lower? or more?

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01-24-20 06:38 AM - Post#2785051    
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The Jag 's that i put in are bolted to the frame, The plate that welds to the jag K member is 12" long and is welded on both sides, That's 24" of weld on each side. It has the stock jag springs from an 86 XJ6 and sets the same height as mine does.



 
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01-26-20 02:26 PM - Post#2785229    
    In response to cbmkr56

I like how that sits. Maybe this is a good compromise for me. Looks good. Can’t imagine these jags are plentiful. There are some crossmembers on eBay but they include none of the suspension or steering parts

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01-30-20 08:14 PM - Post#2785499    
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I got a jag front end today. Gift from an old friend. Still need
To go pick it up. I am going to give it a try. Cbmkr what did you for springs? Stock must be hard. 4200lb donor car... I wondered if throwing the stock Chevy springs in would work. Long shot but maybe worth measuring and trying if perhaps the diameter and compressed
Heigh are similar?

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01-31-20 06:14 AM - Post#2785513    
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Drew, When the mustang front ends are installed, most guys run 4 cylinder springs in their v8 cars. The reason for this is, in a hot rod, the engine usually sits so far back their is less weight on the front springs.

Conversly, the Jag engine probably sits much further back than your engine in the Chevy. Don't be mislead by the over all weight of the car. The comparison of the weight on the front axle might surprise you.

Hopefully, some of the guys who have installed the Jag front ends can give good advice on the springs.

What you are needing to get the ride you are looking for is NOT soft springs but soft shock absorbers. Weak springs will ride low, bottom out on bumps and be terrible. Soft shocks will let the springs work easily and give the soft ride you want.

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01-31-20 03:17 PM - Post#2785549    
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Drew,
look in the sticky posts for "JAG IFS MOUNT BRACKETS" by the late Bel Air Kiwi.It has heaps of really useful info on what to do and how.
As far as spring strength in concerned, I left in the standard ones for a 6cyl Jag but my Chevy L6 250 is so light, the suspension didn't come down off the top bump stops. Your V8 is somewhere between the weight of that heavy Jag engine and mine. Kiwi suggested that a V8 on the standard Jag springs gave a pretty good ride height.
If you are looking for max comfort I would think about going for a soft mount using the original Jag system with the big front rubber bushes. It means you won't be quite as low and you probably need to use the ugly Jag uni-joint to allow the movement but there's always a price to pay.

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01-31-20 06:31 PM - Post#2785568    
    In response to rickityfifty

thanks gents

I’ve procured a 1986 XJS front. I need to go get it still but I want to go that way. I guess that means I have a complete restoration quality 1967 camaro frame for sale lol

I guess I decided jag because of its size and weight yet it’s capabilities. I have a heavyish car that I want to ride nice, handle well, and cruise nice at high speeds. That sounds way more jag than it does mustang ii or camaro.

I don’t know when I’ll start but I’d like to do it sooner than later



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