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Username Post: Sometimes starter won't start        (Topic#359391)
Eth727 
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01-06-20 01:52 PM - Post#2783831    

Every now and then I go start my 60 and it doesn't start the starter. All the lights and everything else lights on but it doesn engage the starter. I'll disconnect the battery and sometimes it starts right but and sometimes I have to wait a few minutes.
I'll drive it after it starts and it'll start right up again. It has a new ignition switch and I checked the connections and ground. I don't know what to check next.
Thanks



 


62sedan 
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01-06-20 02:47 PM - Post#2783836    
    In response to Eth727

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...... It has a new ignition switch.....



Probably one of those crappy, suspect quality Chinese POS knock-off items.

Chuck






 
Eth727 
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01-06-20 03:23 PM - Post#2783837    
    In response to 62sedan

It's a NOS one.



 
acardon 
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01-06-20 03:41 PM - Post#2783841    
    In response to Eth727

Is it an automatic? Bad neutral safety switch.

Don
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01-06-20 04:24 PM - Post#2783846    
    In response to Eth727

Could be a bad ground connection somewhere.

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airsurf 
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01-06-20 04:43 PM - Post#2783849    
    In response to Eth727

For years my starter wouldn't turn occasionally after it was hot. I would then use a wire and jump from the battery to the starter. Finally someone suggested that the firewall connector might be corroded. That was it. Cleaned it up and now it always starts.



 
benignbrent 
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01-06-20 08:37 PM - Post#2783878    
    In response to Eth727

I got my starter repaired by Karl Knudsen Automotive's mechanics. Their service is amazing and they got to fix my car within a reasonable price! If you ever need a car mechanic in Sydney, Karl Knudsen Automotive is the place to be.



 
bobb 
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01-07-20 06:36 AM - Post#2783904    
    In response to Eth727

does it click? starter solenoid would be my 1st check.

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bowtieollie 
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01-07-20 11:42 AM - Post#2783929    
    In response to Eth727

How old is this starter?

was it a rebuilt starter?

I am willing to bet it is an intermittent solenoid contact

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Eth727 
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01-16-20 01:12 PM - Post#2784486    
    In response to bowtieollie

So I installed a new neutral safety switch and it still has the same issue as the old switch. I started it in neutral and that worked. I'm not sure how old the starter or solenoid is but it looks fairly new.



 
DonSSDD 
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01-16-20 04:13 PM - Post#2784500    
    In response to Eth727

You can buy new starters and solenoids that don’t work, so looks don’t count.

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JayChicago 
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01-17-20 01:46 PM - Post#2784549    
    In response to Eth727

  • Eth727 Said:
So I installed a new neutral safety switch and it still has the same issue as the old switch. I started it in neutral and that worked.



Please clarify, cuz it makes all the difference in diagnosing your problem:

Are you saying it will always start in neutral, problem resolved if in neutral?



 
JayChicago 
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01-17-20 02:04 PM - Post#2784551    
    In response to bowtieollie

Ollie
So nice to see a post from you again! Its been a while. We have missed your good advice and depth of experience. Hope you are doing well.



 
Eth727 
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01-17-20 02:11 PM - Post#2784552    
    In response to JayChicago

I've only started it in neutral once. So I installed a new neutral safety switch. It worked for a few days until yesterday. I decided to shift it to neutral and giving it a try. It started.
I got home and turned it off. Started it in Park. It started. I tried it again in park. It started. I don't know what is going on.



 
JayChicago 
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01-17-20 07:03 PM - Post#2784568    
    In response to Eth727

Ok, it does sometimes start in park, so that doesn't tell us the neutral safety circuit is the problem. But just to rule it out, next time the starter fails to crank, move the shift lever up some, and also down to neutral, just to see if that movement changes anything.

When it fails to crank, does it make any noise? No clicking sound?



 
Eth727 
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01-18-20 12:39 AM - Post#2784580    
    In response to JayChicago

Yeah no sound or clicking. The neut switch is brand new. I'm tempted to replace all the wires going into the neut switch and see if that will fix it.



 
JayChicago 
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01-18-20 08:40 AM - Post#2784587    
    In response to Eth727

I wouldn't do that. Not likely anything wrong with the wires themselves, and doing additional work now may just confuse the issue, add another layer of possible problems. And we don't know the problem has anything to do with the neutral safety circuit. As BowTieOllie said above, problem may well be with the solenoid on the starter. He asked question about that, didn't see a reply from you on that.

You said you recently replaced the ignition switch, and now replaced the neutral safety switch. Was this intermittent no-crank issue going on before you replaced these things?

One wire-related thing you could do is clean the main wire harness connection on the firewall. This is a common weak point with these cars. It is a big black wire connector with multiple wires, on the engine side of the firewall. It makes the connection between the electrical stuff on the dashboard to the electrical stuff in the engine compartment, including the starter solenoid. Not sure about the '60, but it probably is located under where the steering column comes thru the firewall into the engine bay. Difficult to get to. If you can get that old connector separated, you could clean both male and female sides with electrical contact cleaner. That could solve your problem if that's where the problem was. But we don't know that yet. We're just stabbing at this, we don't know where the problem is. It would be nice to have some more clues.



 
59cheviac 
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01-18-20 12:27 PM - Post#2784601    
    In response to JayChicago

Listen to Ollie! Darn near every older V8 Chevy I owned had this problem, and it almost always was the starter solenoid. They tucked the thing right under the exhaust manifold where it gets baked quite regularly, and this destroys its life expectancy. There used to be a kit available out there to use an older Ford fender mounted solenoid relay to help with this problem, but I haven't had any reason to look for one in quite a few years. People have fashioned heat shields from various materials also, probably with varying degrees of success.
I always carried a long thin screwdriver with me so I could jump the contacts at the solenoid in a pinch, but on the bigger motors, like a 348, it was a challenge.



Edited by 59cheviac on 01-18-20 12:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
59cheviac 
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01-18-20 12:35 PM - Post#2784602    
    In response to 59cheviac

https://www.tuffstuffperformance.com/i-24486449-ho...

Here's an example of the kit I mentioned.



 
DonSSDD 
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01-19-20 04:22 AM - Post#2784639    
    In response to Eth727

  • Eth727 Said:
Yeah no sound or clicking. The neut switch is brand new. I'm tempted to replace all the wires going into the neut switch and see if that will fix it.



Usually a bad solenoid will give a warning with clicking when the starter is engaged. You should try this when it won’t start- put the car in neutral and with the starter engaged, wiggle the shifter, if the starter rolls the engine over, it’s just an alignment problem with the neutral safety.

Try this and report.

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Eth727 
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01-19-20 12:42 PM - Post#2784671    
    In response to DonSSDD

Yes this intermittent starting issue has been going on since I've owned the car. It's almost been a year. In fact when it arrived off the truck the driver couldn't get it started. The previous owner provided me with a new solenoid. I haven't replaced it because the exhaust I put on makes it a pain to remove the starter. I did clean a plug on the firewall that is linked with the heater fan which was dirty and now the fan works.
I have had bad starters in other cars and it would click.
This issue there isn't clicking. It's like there's no power going to it when it acts up.



 


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