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Username Post: stock column conversion.        (Topic#359229)
FINIS-55 
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12-24-19 11:04 AM - Post#2782830    

Has anyone ever converted to a newer rag-joint steering box and still made the original column work on a 55 Chevrolet. Read someplace, on kit instructions, about it in reference to altering stock column shaft for rag joint. Sounds wrong. Anyhow MERRY CHRISTMAS !



 


5Larry7 
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12-24-19 02:37 PM - Post#2782845    
    In response to FINIS-55

When I first built my '57 I installed a 605 steering box with the original steering column and used a rag joint. I used an article from Classic Chevy for the dimensions to cut the steering column to the proper length. I welded a the upper part of the rag joint to the steering shaft. Worked good. I have since put a CPP 500 box with an Ididit steering column in. Works even better.

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
'51 Studebaker Starlite coupe, 350, TH400, GV OD.
'96 Replica of a 1950's Teardrop Trailer.


 
FINIS-55 
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12-26-19 01:17 PM - Post#2782964    
    In response to 5Larry7

Thank you very much. Wondering about pieces needed to do this conversion. So the original box shaft is cut off? What keeps the shaft centered in column after rag joint is welded? Is there a guide inside the column? Also what lenght Ididit column works with the CPP500 box, same box in the coversion kits. Did you buy the pump, brackets and pulleys in a kit? I think I would switch the column out, but it's cool that you made the old column work. Thanks again, hope to hear from you. John.



 
5Larry7 
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12-27-19 09:48 AM - Post#2783027    
    In response to FINIS-55

Here is a link you may find useful: https://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83...

When I installed the Ididit steering column, there was a noticeable improvement in the steering in comparison to using the stock modified column. Less rattling and movement most probably due to the fact there wasn't a lower support for the steering shaft in the bottom of the column. I purchased the Ididit column made for the tri-five Chevys. Based on my experience, I do not recommend the 605 box, the 500 box is superior in road feel and quicker steering. I know it is tempting to want to use the original column but much is gained with the Ididit column, such as a 4 way emergency light switch, lane change on the turn signal and of course, a tilt column. As for the pump mount, I used a later model factory mount I got at the junkyard. It mounts on the two bolt holes on the front of the block where the original tri-five front engine motor mounts went. Later I switched to an Alan Grove Components serpentine belt system and used the power steering mount that came with that kit.

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
'51 Studebaker Starlite coupe, 350, TH400, GV OD.
'96 Replica of a 1950's Teardrop Trailer.


 
FINIS-55 
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12-27-19 03:10 PM - Post#2783035    
    In response to 5Larry7

Thanks again Dutchman. Just a couple more things, what lenght after market column did you use with the 500 box and what about the gear indicator. On a 55 the gear letters/numbers (P R N D 2 1) are in the dash below the speedometer. Do the new columns activate the stock selector? Or is the selector on the column like the old van columns had? As for the reuse of the stock column, some kind of support, at the bottom of the column, for the shaft is needed. A bearing or a bushing of some sort? Just thinking.



 
5Larry7 
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12-28-19 09:25 AM - Post#2783075    
    In response to FINIS-55

In don't know the length of the Ididit column I used it was for a 1957 Chevy. It is slightly longer than what I had in there before, which was fine for me since I am tall and have the seat back. Ididit makes a column for the tri-fives with a column shift. I suggest you contact them and ask about the gear indicator.

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
'51 Studebaker Starlite coupe, 350, TH400, GV OD.
'96 Replica of a 1950's Teardrop Trailer.


 
FINIS-55 
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12-28-19 10:34 AM - Post#2783079    
    In response to 5Larry7

Thanks Dutchman.



 
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01-03-20 06:01 AM - Post#2783587    
    In response to FINIS-55

Greetings all. It has been a number of years since this, but I posted this topic years ago when I finished installing my Ididit column. I do not remember the length of the column. I had trouble getting it to extend out of the firewall and had to modify the rag joint. You may have to copy this and search for the post. I just pulled it up ok. Hope this provides some more insight.

POST: 500 SERIES BOX - CUSTOM RAG JOINT - IDIDIT COLUMN. HOW I GOT A PERFECT FIT! (TOPIC#278703)

Keith Marang
Webmaster
Central Oklahoma Classic Chevy Club
www.55-57chevys.com


 
FINIS-55 
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01-10-20 10:02 AM - Post#2784124    
    In response to 5Larry7

5Larry, first forgive me for calling you Dutchman, who is answering questions on another sight. My oops. Just wondering, did you use a rag-joint with the new column or the D bar shaft and u-joints? The latest Ididit col. for 55 ends at the firewall. Too far from box for rag-joint? Have to use u-joint setup? You said your column was longer? Thanks again.



 
FINIS-55 
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01-10-20 10:14 AM - Post#2784126    
    In response to 5Larry7

Just read about problems with steering wheel returning to center, on its ow, after making a turn. Caster or camber problem with power steering? Need new a-frames? Do you have this problem? No one mentioned this in regard to converting over. Starting to see a can of worms here.



 
5Larry7 
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01-10-20 10:22 AM - Post#2784128    
    In response to FINIS-55

I use a rag joint between my 500 steering box and my Ididit column, (when I had a 605 box in the car I used a rag joint with it). What I said about it was longer, I meant it was longer than the stock column, it comes just a bit further into the car, which for me is good since I have the seat as far back as it will go. As far as the steering wheel returning to center after a turn, that is mostly a function of caster. You should shoot for 5 degrees or as much as you can get up to 5 degrees of positive caster and that will help the wheel re-center after a turn. Most of the after market upper A arms have additional caster designed in. BTW, no problem calling me Dutchman!

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
'51 Studebaker Starlite coupe, 350, TH400, GV OD.
'96 Replica of a 1950's Teardrop Trailer.


 
FINIS-55 
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01-10-20 03:24 PM - Post#2784151    
    In response to 5Larry7

5Larry7, great info. By the way, I love Texas. Spent tons of good times in Fort Worth partying with friends in a rock band called Texas, what else? It was a long time ago. My brother and his family live in Nacogdoches, I have an uncle in Whitehouse. Thanks again.



 


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