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Username Post: New Chassis or Old        (Topic#359228)
Stickdude 
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Posts: 22

Loc: Wyoming
Reg: 07-29-17
12-24-19 09:05 AM - Post#2782827    

OK, my 1952 Fleetline project took some time off but is going again. Trying to decide if I should replace the front suspension,brakes and steering; replace the rear suspension and rear end; replace the transmission mount cross member or buy a new chassis (from a cost standpoint mostly). I'm going to put in a 292 straight 6 and probably a 5 speed manual transmission. I'm not a hot rodder but I do want to use the car as a daily driver and we do have highway speeds of 80 mph here. I want to keep stock height. If I do go with new chassis, AME or SRG? I have done much searching on this and other forums and will continue to search, so I guess I'm looking for updated insight. Especially want to hear from others who may have done something similar. Thanks for any advice.



 


Shepherd 
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Posts: 1951

Loc: Lake George, NY
Reg: 11-11-15
12-24-19 12:08 PM - Post#2782831    
    In response to Stickdude

I'd think an atermarket chassis is an overkill for your plan. Unless the original one is in poor condition. My 51 Belair has a Fatman front end with R&P steering, sbc with 350 trans. Camaro rear with Posies and CE sway bar. Typical for a lot of our cars. Drives, stops and handles great. Balance the price and work required to replace the frame vs the upgrades.



 
Dean50 
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Dean50
Loc: Detroit area
Reg: 01-02-07
12-24-19 12:21 PM - Post#2782832    
    In response to Stickdude

You may have seen the sticky at the top that shows a detailed front end rebuild by DZAuto. Add disc brake kit in front and a dual master cylinder, S-10 4wd 5 speed trans and rear end and go.

Dean50



 
Stickdude 
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Loc: Wyoming
Reg: 07-29-17
12-24-19 01:46 PM - Post#2782837    
    In response to Shepherd

I agree on the overkill, I'm probably trying to save time over money. I'm working on detailed specs right now so I can price out individual components to get a better comparison.



 
Stickdude 
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Posts: 22

Loc: Wyoming
Reg: 07-29-17
12-24-19 01:48 PM - Post#2782838    
    In response to Dean50

I did look at that but did not spend much time with it as the pictures were not available. I am going to consider that.



 
Dean50 
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Dean50
Loc: Detroit area
Reg: 01-02-07
12-25-19 09:50 AM - Post#2782888    
    In response to Stickdude

Sorry, forgot about that. Photobucket strikes again.
P.S. for reference:
I had my entire front end redone professionally a few years ago for about a grand- parts, labor, paint and alignment. Good luck with your projects!

Dean50



 
Stickdude 
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Loc: Wyoming
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12-25-19 11:11 AM - Post#2782892    
    In response to Dean50

So your car drives and handles well?



 
Dean50 
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12-25-19 08:11 PM - Post#2782910    
    In response to Stickdude

Yes. Radials also help. One quick and cheap ride fix is new rubber bushings in the front sway bar. I have the stock 3 speed and 3.55 rear behind a 350 SBC, front discs and dual master under the floor.
Good luck with your projects!

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56sedandelivery 
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56sedandelivery
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Loc: Everett, Wa.
Reg: 02-26-08
12-25-19 10:35 PM - Post#2782913    
    In response to Shepherd

Do a Google search for, "49-54 Chevrolet frame update images"; lots of stock and aftermarket frame work to look through. Me, I tend to prefer stock or modified stock frames, but since yours has so much rust damage, you'll have to do something seriously more involved. Don't envy you in that regard. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
johnwd98 
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johnwd98
Age: 70
Loc: Little Falls, MN
Reg: 09-05-10
01-01-20 06:50 AM - Post#2783382    
    In response to Stickdude

My experience with just replacing the front and rear suspension instead of an after market frame, is at 80+ miles per hour my 50 Fleetline drives and handles well. But, add a crosswind, bumps, curves, and semi trucks passing you at 85+ not so good. This only happened once. I believe a lot of the problem comes from no or minimal wind tunnel testing back in the early 50's. Also at highway speeds there is that irritating wind noise. That's probably the hardest thing to fix, if not impossible. My thoughts are replacing the frame is not going to cure the previously mentioned conditions, it's the body design that causes those problems. Or just avoid I90 near Rapid City, SD.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
coachfrank 
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coachfrank
Age: 72
Loc: washington,pa
Reg: 07-20-11
01-01-20 08:10 AM - Post#2783389    
    In response to johnwd98

You nailed it John. I did everything you did and I experience the same (nuances), problems, as you do with my 52 Styleline.

1975 Corvette, Original owner
1953 Chevy 3100 Pickup
1952 Chevy Styleline Coupe
http://sites.google.com/site/bluejaygarage/


 
johnwd98 
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johnwd98
Age: 70
Loc: Little Falls, MN
Reg: 09-05-10
01-02-20 05:47 AM - Post#2783479    
    In response to coachfrank

  • coachfrank Said:
You nailed it John. I did everything you did and I experience the same (nuances), problems, as you do with my 52 Styleline.



Thank you coachfrank for your comment. One improvement that might help is a rear sway bar. Kind of difficult with the way the car is built underneath. Not much room left with a spare tire well, (I removed that) and offset fuel tank, and tail pipes.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
Stickdude 
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Loc: Wyoming
Reg: 07-29-17
01-02-20 06:08 AM - Post#2783480    
    In response to johnwd98

Good point about body design. I will be adding insulation and new rubber seals everywhere. I will keep wind noise in mind as I rebuild. Unfortunately I can't avoid I90 or I25 if I go anywhere very far from home,lol.



 
johnwd98 
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johnwd98
Age: 70
Loc: Little Falls, MN
Reg: 09-05-10
01-03-20 05:19 AM - Post#2783581    
    In response to Stickdude

I've noticed that a lot of the wind noise comes from around the windshield post and vent window. Also when driving in the rain I've seen the rain water seems to come around the windshield post and hit the vent window. I assume the wind does the same. Since I have a black car, I tried stuffing a length of vacuum hose in the drip rail, starting at the front bottom and up to where it starts to curve back by the roof. That seemed to help with some of the wind noise. I don't think I can get rid of the noise around the windshield post and vent window area without some major modifications to that area.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
coachfrank 
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coachfrank
Age: 72
Loc: washington,pa
Reg: 07-20-11
01-03-20 07:20 AM - Post#2783597    
    In response to johnwd98

I did this John to alleviate a lot of the wind noise coming from the engine compartment! It also directs air to the radiator from the grille area. The car runs much cooler! Not my original idea, but I saw a vehicle at a car show that did this! I also have installed a rear sway bar, it did help!

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1975 Corvette, Original owner
1953 Chevy 3100 Pickup
1952 Chevy Styleline Coupe
http://sites.google.com/site/bluejaygarage/


 
johnwd98 
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johnwd98
Age: 70
Loc: Little Falls, MN
Reg: 09-05-10
01-04-20 05:06 AM - Post#2783656    
    In response to coachfrank

  • coachfrank Said:
I did this John to alleviate a lot of the wind noise coming from the engine compartment! It also directs air to the radiator from the grille area. The car runs much cooler! Not my original idea, but I saw a vehicle at a car show that did this! I also have installed a rear sway bar, it did help!



I built a similar grille to radiator panel before I ever drove my car, so I have no idea if it helped with wind noise. I do believe it keeps the engine temp where it belongs, I would highly recommend that everyone with any engine swap do that. I do have a rear sway bar from a S10 Blazer, with all the attaching parts. I've been saving it for a winter project. Too many other small projects around the house and garage have priority though. I would certainly like to see a photo of your rear sway bar. I could use some ideas on how to do it on my car.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
coachfrank 
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coachfrank
Age: 72
Loc: washington,pa
Reg: 07-20-11
01-04-20 06:56 AM - Post#2783660    
    In response to johnwd98

Hope this helps John! It is a Chassis Engineering sway bar! I am running a 56 Rear end! Just barely clears the pumpkin!

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1975 Corvette, Original owner
1953 Chevy 3100 Pickup
1952 Chevy Styleline Coupe
http://sites.google.com/site/bluejaygarage/


 
johnwd98 
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johnwd98
Age: 70
Loc: Little Falls, MN
Reg: 09-05-10
01-05-20 05:58 AM - Post#2783721    
    In response to coachfrank

  • coachfrank Said:
Hope this helps John! It is a Chassis Engineering sway bar! I am running a 56 Rear end! Just barely clears the pumpkin!



Thank you. The sway bar I have clamps to the rear diff, but the links are originally towards the back. I'll have to check out the possibility of it mounting towards the front or just finding a different sway bar that mounts like yours.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
tommy49 
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Loc: Kaleva, Michigan
Reg: 09-28-12
01-05-20 07:03 AM - Post#2783726    
    In response to johnwd98

The sway bars don't care which way they're mounted.

Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 4.8/4L60E swap in progress, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes.

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