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Username Post: Identify this great box        (Topic#358969)
MysticJade 
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Reg: 11-25-19
11-27-19 04:30 PM - Post#2781109    

Trying to identify what gear box this is, and what I need to complete and update steering. I'm watching YouTube videos see people changing rag joint to U.














 


pvs409 
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pvs409
Loc: Sergeant Bluff, Iowa
Reg: 01-10-05
11-27-19 05:32 PM - Post#2781117    
    In response to MysticJade

That is a factory 61 to 64 Chevy steering box and you have a factory power steering with the hoses I see. The pump has been replaced with a reproduction pump.
Paul

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
dcairns 
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Posts: 2088
dcairns
Loc: Orange CA
Reg: 11-07-03
11-27-19 05:35 PM - Post#2781119    
    In response to MysticJade

That looks like the stock steering box. Since you don't appear to be going for perfectly original, you might check out some of the threads on steering box updates.

If you want to keep this one and don't know the history of it, it is probably a good idea to check the condition of things inside. This is mine after a few decades of neglect. An unhealthy mix of what was once oil,water and rust.



And after being rebuild by a local shop:




Even the stock exhaust is a tight fit, I hope those headers don't get in the way of the shaft.


Some pictures of various stages in my restoration that might help:












- Dave
1964 Impala 4-door sedan

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pvs409 
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pvs409
Loc: Sergeant Bluff, Iowa
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11-27-19 05:37 PM - Post#2781120    
    In response to pvs409

Nothing wrong with factory power steering I have 3 sets of factory power steering on my 62's with new hoses, control valve and new cylinder and a new pump. All of them have factory rag joint connections on the factory steering shaft with zero issues.

I did not want to spend $ 1500 for new steering that does not fit without spending more money....-my factory PS is fine.
Drive the car with what you have and see how it works.

Paul

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
kingkreeton 
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kingkreeton
Loc: Houston TX
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11-28-19 07:17 AM - Post#2781171    
    In response to pvs409

Again, I agree with Paul. You have way too much work to do to get your car on the road right now without having to spend extra cash on upgrading your steering. Get it back together first and see how you like it.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

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turbo38s10 
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11-28-19 08:47 AM - Post#2781181    
    In response to kingkreeton

Also to add to the above on the steering shaft. Any kit you put in will move the steering shaft closer to the exhaust since you have to use an adapter plate to install the updated gearbox. These shafts are always tight hence the bend in the upper control arm shaft.

Use what you have first and see if you like it and how well it works. If you don't it is a fairly easy upgrade later with everything installed on the car so no need to rush into one.

All you get with the updated kit is less turns of the steering wheel. It doesn't change anything else.

If you don't like the big wheel and the way it turns then try a smaller custom steering wheel, might give you what you want.





 
ragtp66 
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Reg: 12-09-07
11-30-19 11:42 AM - Post#2781292    
    In response to MysticJade

I am going to use this box http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/product.php?producti... on a 61 parkwood we are building. I am curious to see how much of an improvement it will make over a stock steering box and power assist factory set up. My direction is different as we are doing big wheels and bags and may or may not get an LS swap though that may be phase2 of the build.
Summit gives you a lil better price but I probably won't be ready until spring to pull the trigger.

Toys:
1958 Impala 2dr Hardtop Under Construction
1966 Chevelle Malibu Convert M20/350 Aztec Bronze
1987 Sea Ray Pachanga 22
2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT Parts chaser
2007 Trailblazer SS -gone and missed


 
MysticJade 
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Reg: 11-25-19
11-30-19 09:21 PM - Post#2781314    
    In response to ragtp66

I'm curious as well. I want it to drive nice, I haven't driven one before. Updating the steering would be nice, but may be an unnecessary expense in my build at the moment, but I like to do things right the first time. Mine will be lifted on hydraulics.



 
4spd409 
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4spd409
Loc: Sherwood ND
Reg: 10-10-02
12-02-19 05:20 PM - Post#2781407    
    In response to MysticJade

I updated the power steering on my 61 with the CPP 500 box. It was a simple installation that bolts in place of the stock box with only enlarging the holes in the frame. The steering shaft was a pretty simple. I had to have one end of the hoses changed at a hydraulic shop. I have a small block so no problem with radiator clearance. There is a problem if you are using a 409 radiator. I added offset upper control arm shafts so I could get more positive caster. I have less than $800 in the setup including an alignment. Although the car did not drive all that bad with the original ps it is a very noticeable positive difference.

61 Impala Bubbletop


 
61ragtop 
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Age: 43
Loc: Langley B.C. Canada
Reg: 07-30-03
12-06-19 07:17 PM - Post#2781629    
    In response to 4spd409

Where did you get the off set upper shafts from?




 
4spd409 
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4spd409
Loc: Sherwood ND
Reg: 10-10-02
12-06-19 07:29 PM - Post#2781630    
    In response to 61ragtop

Speedway Motors has them with bushing for $79.95 pair.

61 Impala Bubbletop


 
62chevy427 
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62chevy427
Loc: laurens sc
Reg: 04-13-06
12-07-19 03:44 PM - Post#2781676    
    In response to pvs409

my 62 has factory power steering. i added it about 25 years ago. still like it.

56 bel air ((since 2002)
62 impala ss (since 1965)
65 el camino (since 1969)
66 nova (since 1987)
67 malibu convertible (since 1981)
72 el camino ss454 (since 1985)
83 gmc 4wd (since 1991)
95 impala (new)
15 chevy equinox



 


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