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Username Post: My first impala        (Topic#358937)
MysticJade 
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11-25-19 08:07 PM - Post#2780964    

Well I finally picked up one of my dream cars, a 64 impala two door. I'm a novice builder, the bodywork and paint has all been done. It has a crate cammed 350. Undercarriage painted as well. Needs brakes finished, steering done and electrical all done, fuel setup, dash all done, interior done. So on to my first question...

Is it better to get the engine at least started with minimal wiring, get the steering setup, or Get the brakes setup first.











Edited by MysticJade on 11-26-19 08:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


DonSSDD 
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DonSSDD
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11-26-19 02:47 AM - Post#2780971    
    In response to MysticJade

You have lots of things to do, I wouldn’t start the engine first on temporary wiring as if it’s a crate motor, there’s a good chance it will run fine and starting it and letting it sit for a while unused, it’s better for not to start it.

I’d suggest you make a list of things you need to do and then put it in order of when to do it and start progressing through the list. As you go, you’ll find more to add to it.

Start with the wiring harnesses, the main dash harness first, then you can connect the engine harness to that, interior wiring, tail end stuff, etc. Hook up things like the heater, dash switches, radio, speaker wiring etc before doing the dash cluster install. Check out gauges and the speedometer plus idiot lights to be sure they work, before installing the cluster.

American Aurowire is the best place for stock wiring harnesses, plus they will make changes/upgrades if you use non stock items like an alternator, mini starter, etc.

The top of the dash looks pretty shiny, you may need to take the gloss off that to reduce glare.

If you don’t have them, get a 1961 shop manual, a 64 supplement, and a 64 assembly manual. And keep asking questions here and posting pics of your progress.

Looks good, nice colours, good luck and keep moving forward.


63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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dcairns 
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dcairns
Loc: Orange CA
Reg: 11-07-03
11-26-19 09:03 AM - Post#2780988    
    In response to DonSSDD

I would agree with everything Don said.
You might find my 64 restoration blog helpful to review (lots of photos) My Impala Restoration This should help you think of of what kinds of things to put on your list of things to do I tried to do mine in "small" bites so I could drive it in between, so your approach will be a bit different since you are missing so much and starting with the paint and body work done (kinda backwards of how I went).

One caution comes to mind, since you are starting with a nice paint job. Be careful with the potential of spraying fluids, greasy hands and scrapes/bumps. I had the luxury of doing all the messy work before the nice paint was put on, you will have to work carefully around it to avoid damaging the paint. Simple stuff like brake fluid can do horrible damage to paint.



- Dave
1964 Impala 4-door sedan

_________
/ --------------- \
_/ /___________\ \_
/_________|_________\
|OOO ___________ OOO|
\______|====|______/
|_|------------------|_|




 
MysticJade 
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11-26-19 11:21 AM - Post#2780995    
    In response to DonSSDD

Which American auto wire harness? The classic update kit or oem restoration?



 
pvs409 
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11-26-19 12:46 PM - Post#2781007    
    In response to MysticJade

  • MysticJade Said:
Which American auto wire harness? The classic update kit or oem restoration?



with your limited experience and seeing the pictures of your 64 Impala, I strongly suggest American Autowire original style wiring harnesses.

Much much easier to install. The classic update kit is in my opinion not easy to install, it requires lots of "crimped wire connections" that you have to do....

You will have to decide on a alternator type (external or internal regulator) and mount the alternator on the drivers side(I see a mount on the passenger side of your motor picture) of your engine before ordering the correct American Autowire engine harness and starter harness.

After using a american autowire classic update kit on a 63 Impala to the dash insert, never again way to many crimped connections vs factory connections on a original wiring harness that are just plugged in or connected.

Paul

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
DonSSDD 
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11-26-19 02:53 PM - Post#2781019    
    In response to pvs409

What Paul said is perfect as usual.

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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MysticJade 
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11-26-19 08:31 PM - Post#2781033    
    In response to pvs409

Thank you, what if I decide to do a Dakota digital dash, or other upgrades down the road, will the oem style be as friendly as the classic kit may be. It definitely sounds easier like you said, but I don't mind crimping etc if need be for the right setup. Heres passenger side of engine.






 
pvs409 
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11-26-19 09:35 PM - Post#2781037    
    In response to MysticJade

All 62 to 68 Chevy's had the alternator mounted on the drivers side. you have a 69 Chevy mount on your alternator.

My point is that all those years 62-68 wiring harnesses(both types) are based on drivers side alternators. therefore you would have to significantly modify new wiring harnesses (or your original 64 alternator/headlite wiring harness ) to make it fit your current mounted alternator -Its easier to mount the alternator on the drivers side, with a alternator mount for headers with a new or reused fan belt

As to the Dakota Digital dashes for your 64 Impala that range from $725, to $795 and one for $1295 to my knowledge are designed to be added to original wiring harnesses (and have new oil, fuel and water connection sensors)

Paul

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
ayelander 
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ayelander
Loc: Oak Island NC
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11-27-19 05:20 AM - Post#2781046    
    In response to pvs409

I have a Dakota Digital Dash in my 63 Impala. Comes with its own control box to hook up the all the instruments. I also have a Classic Update Kit.

Ayelander - Oak Island NC
1963 Impala SS,500 HP,EFI 383 Stroker,Tremec 6 Speed Manual
1974 Corvette, 454 cu in, 4 Speed Manual
1951 Chevy 3100 Truck, 261 cu in, Dual 2-bbl Webers, Fenton Split Exhaust
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turbo38s10 
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11-27-19 07:59 AM - Post#2781057    
    In response to pvs409

I believe American Auto Wire offers the alternator cable for the right side mount as an option or serperate cable.



 
MysticJade 
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11-27-19 08:17 AM - Post#2781060    
    In response to ayelander

What do you think about the auto wire classic kit install?



 
turbo38s10 
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11-27-19 10:58 AM - Post#2781078    
    In response to pvs409

Here is a light conversion harness with the correct alternator hook up for the right side of the motor. Uses the SI type alternator.
https://www.americanautowire.com/shop/front-light-...



 
kingkreeton 
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11-27-19 12:58 PM - Post#2781089    
    In response to MysticJade

For you setup, I recommend going with AAW's factory fit as Paul recommended. The Classic Kit is designed for folks running computer controlled FI engines. I have many modern upgrades on my car: Dakota Digital Dash, HEI, Internally Regulated Alternator, Vintage Air and modern stereo system. All can be done with AAW's factory fit kits with minor modifications. As stated earlier, AAW sells these wiring harnesses already modified for HEI and internally regulated alternators. I recommend you go that route with moving your alternator to the driver side.

With your dash out, now is the time to replace your dash insulation pad.

Let us know if you need help.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

Proud member of Big Blue Nation, University of Kentucky Basketball. "Go Big Blue"


Edited by kingkreeton on 11-27-19 01:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MysticJade 
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11-27-19 01:22 PM - Post#2781092    
    In response to kingkreeton

thank you, my only concern is that i was thinking about just replacing all harnesses while the interior etc is all gutted, they look good, but was just thinking that might be the smarter route. It looks like it would be cheaper going the classic update route if i do that if im not mistaken?

With relocating the alternator, how will that play into installing the vintage air?

Im also researching what brake booster to go with with my setup. disc conversion up front, drums in rear, 350 with tall valve covers, want to fit largest dual diaphram possible without having clearance issues or issues removing valve cover if needed.



 
junky 
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11-27-19 07:14 PM - Post#2781130    
    In response to MysticJade

You will be miles ahead, if you contact the vendor of each item that you want to add to your car, and ask them about installation instructions prior to purchase. That way, you will at least have an idea of what is going to go were, and what is going to present a problem. You can't do this piecemeal, but it has to be all orchestrated together to work with the least amount of problems. You don't want to be installing parts, only to have to remove them to put something else in, because it has to go in first. Good luck, you are going to need it to pull this off without major design problems.
Just like building a house, you have to lay out the plumbing and electrical before you close in the walls.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
DonSSDD 
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11-28-19 03:31 AM - Post#2781155    
    In response to junky

Search those changes on here as well as what junky said, lots of people have done those changes and you will find out any issues before you start.

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kingkreeton 
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11-28-19 06:58 AM - Post#2781169    
    In response to junky

I concur with what was said above by Junky and DonSSDD. The harnesses are not cheap, especially the Dash Harness. But is one of those things where you don't want to cheap out on certain items.

I have replaced every harness in my car and made numerous modifications to the wiring for various systems. But I did it right and safely. I highly recommend going with the AAW's factory fit series and if you need to modify things, it can easily be done from there.

You stated you were a Novice at this and that is just fine. My recommendation takes that into account and we are here to help.

You are correct in your thought process of replacing the wiring now with your interior out. Another key element of using the "Factory Fit" series is that you will be able to reference the car's original wiring diagram in the future if you run into issues later on or while modifying the wiring. That is a huge help instead of you trying to guess what goes where after you install the Classic Update. I too considered the Classic Update wiring but decided against it for that very reason. I can't tell you how happy I am going with the Factory Fit instead.

I've touched every wire on my car and knows exactly what each one does. It is a good way to learn how your car works.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

Proud member of Big Blue Nation, University of Kentucky Basketball. "Go Big Blue"


 
kingkreeton 
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11-28-19 07:08 AM - Post#2781170    
    In response to MysticJade

  • MysticJade Said:

With relocating the alternator, how will that play into installing the vintage air?



Do you plan on installing a Vintage Air system in your car? It looks like your car was a factory A/C car. It also looks like the previous owner smoothed out your firewall. That will cause you extra headache when installing the Vintage Air system. You may want to push that installation further down your list of priorities.

Your budget with this car will help determine your priorities as well.


Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

Proud member of Big Blue Nation, University of Kentucky Basketball. "Go Big Blue"


 
kingkreeton 
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11-28-19 07:19 AM - Post#2781172    
    In response to MysticJade

How do you bare floorboards look? Can you post some pictures of them? It may be an area you want to address prior to putting your interior back together.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

Proud member of Big Blue Nation, University of Kentucky Basketball. "Go Big Blue"


 
turbo38s10 
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11-28-19 08:38 AM - Post#2781179    
    In response to kingkreeton

Check out Kruiser's thread. He's added about everything you could. It's a 1961 but will be basically the same.

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...



 
MysticJade 
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11-28-19 08:55 AM - Post#2781182    
    In response to kingkreeton

Thank you all for the great advice. Yes it's a factory ac car, shaved firewall, ac will be down the road, but want to pre prep for that so it's easy. I was vintage air be cheaper than rebuilding factory setup. Maybe I'm wrong



 
MysticJade 
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11-28-19 08:56 AM - Post#2781183    
    In response to kingkreeton

All rust was taken care of prior to bodywork and paint, one floorboard and trunk floor replaced.



 
junky 
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11-28-19 09:19 AM - Post#2781187    
    In response to MysticJade

I have factory air in my car, and it works perfectly. I have nothing against the Vintage Air, however, If you use a modern compressor with the factory system, you will have the best of both worlds in my opinion. You will have to decide on the Vintage Air and heat, and determine which is best for you. Neither will be simple since the firewall has already been modified. One thing is for certain, it is a lot easier to work on the system that you choose if the engine is out of the way. I can see you having to work on a couple of "fronts" at the same time, so one doesn't get ahead of the other. It is no fun taking one step forward, and then taking 2 steps backward regularly because of poor planning. Take the time to think it all out in advance, and you will save time in the end.

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.


 
dcairns 
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11-28-19 04:34 PM - Post#2781212    
    In response to junky

  • junky Said:
You will be miles ahead, if you contact the vendor



American Auto Wire was VERY helpful when I called them. Good old fashioned customer service there!


- Dave
1964 Impala 4-door sedan

_________
/ --------------- \
_/ /___________\ \_
/_________|_________\
|OOO ___________ OOO|
\______|====|______/
|_|------------------|_|




 
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11-28-19 05:56 PM - Post#2781219    
    In response to dcairns

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MysticJade 
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11-29-19 07:10 PM - Post#2781261    
    In response to MysticJade

How do I turn to adjust these tie rod.? I have the bolts loosened.





 
kingkreeton 
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11-30-19 05:13 AM - Post#2781272    
    In response to MysticJade

First, what exactly are you trying to do and why? You will most likely have to take it to a shop to get it aligned after messing with any front end suspension components.

Shane
64 Impala SS:
Chevy Performance 350HO
4 Speed Muncie

Proud member of Big Blue Nation, University of Kentucky Basketball. "Go Big Blue"


Edited by kingkreeton on 11-30-19 05:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MysticJade 
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11-30-19 08:16 AM - Post#2781278    
    In response to kingkreeton

Just trying to give it a home alignment. It's very pigeon toed.



 
pvs409 
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11-30-19 09:17 AM - Post#2781283    
    In response to MysticJade

you need to completely remove the clamps(slide them off) and try to turn the sleeves with a large screwdriver "in the slot" or a vise grip on the sleeve.

Typically the sleeves are frozen on the treads(from the way they look in your picture) and you have to remove them from the car.

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
MysticJade 
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11-30-19 09:24 AM - Post#2781284    
    In response to pvs409

Ok that's what I was thinking.



 


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