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Username Post: Unique power: 6 cylinders/6 gears/EFI        (Topic#358421)
drew1987 
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10-12-19 05:20 AM - Post#2777721    

Ok, this was inspired by a dream I had last night but ive ben up for 3 hours and still thinking about it...

A 250cid straight six with split manifolds and a 2bbl FUEL INJECTION mated to a 6l50e. I figure with 3.83 or 4.11, the 6 gears and the added power from the EFI and split manifold, we would be talking about a pretty quick powertrain that isn't the belly button 350/350 or LS swap that everyone else has. The dream was less specific but thats what I cooked up this morning.


-So 6l50 or 6l80 is $500 or so
-There is a controller out there and its about $850
-There are 1 and 2 bbl fuel injection kits from Holley
-There ARENT any 250s for sale but thats not a problem if you know people.

I am certainly not saying I am going to do this, but its stuck in my head that it would be cool. As of now, the car is just sitting there....



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10-14-19 10:22 AM - Post#2777869    
    In response to drew1987

Hey Drew, I think it’s a great idea. Would certainly be different and a hit at the car shows. Going with a straight 6, why not go big and do a 292 truck motor? Slightly taller deck but you should have room for it.
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eplantage 
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10-14-19 11:27 AM - Post#2777874    
    In response to drew1987

I've thought it would be interesting to transplant the drivetrain from a Trailblazer into my sedan delivery, I6, OD automatic, EFI, etc.

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rickityfifty 
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10-14-19 02:20 PM - Post#2777887    
    In response to drew1987

Hi Drew,
that's close to what I'm doing with my 52 business coupe.
250 L6, FItech injection, T700 trans, 3.45 rear end.
The 250 has a 4 barrel manifold, lump port head with a more interesting camshaft and split stainless steel headers. The exhaust will be 2 pipes together all the way with an X-pipe close to the front and a 2-in, 2-out muffler.
The 3.45 should work well with the T700 od and I'm using that trans because they are quite cheap here in OZ as they were used in our Commodores for many years.
I'm also going serpentine drive just because I think it looks cool.

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Edited by rickityfifty on 10-14-19 02:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mike JW 
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10-14-19 03:23 PM - Post#2777891    
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I sure like mine, 292, 700 R4.

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10-14-19 03:42 PM - Post#2777892    
    In response to drew1987

There was a member that put, I believe, an Ecotec in a delivery. I just can't find it.

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drew1987 
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10-14-19 06:45 PM - Post#2777904    
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Wow guys glad to hear from you all on this. I have access to a 45000 mile 250 but as it was placed in 1977 it’s 150 horsepower. Am I to assume that it will be as stout as a stock 350 with a 4bbl or 2 bbl EFI and split manifolds?

I asked about the trailblazer 6 (atlas) in 2015 when I was contemplating my car. Loved the idea. Was told it wasn’t a great motor and never looked more into it. Seems very cool and I wish I had, even if I didn’t end up doing it


I am toiling over weather or not to grab that 250. I had one on a pallet some years ago and sold it to some kid who had a truck that matched numbers with it. Some guys in my club have said they had 292 in trucks and it was better than 350.


I am looking at

$600 for a 6l50e
$850 for controller
$300 for intake
$150 for exhaust
$900 for 2bbl efi
$300 for a new tank and fuel pump
At least $250 for whatever torque converter and flex plate can make a 6l50e 6l80e work
$100-$200 for a 3.83-4.11 rear third member

That’s a lot of dough and I don’t have it but it truly might be worth waiting for

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drew1987 
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10-14-19 06:49 PM - Post#2777906    
    In response to drew1987

Rickety you’ve got some real cool stuff going on there!

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rickityfifty 
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10-14-19 08:40 PM - Post#2777914    
    In response to drew1987

Thanks Drew. There was a lot of planning.

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drew1987 
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10-15-19 07:57 AM - Post#2777938    
    In response to rickityfifty

Yea man for sure... I always LOVE to see what you and the others from not-america do... the hobby isnt easy here, i cant imagine where there are so fewer cars/parts.

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chevcpe 
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10-18-19 10:58 AM - Post#2778186    
    In response to drew1987

Hi Drew,
A couple of years ago I kind of had the same dream that you had. I have owned the ’51 pickup for several years and was looking for my next change. I too have avoided the “belly button” 350 on this project and had previously installed a 261 with a column-shift 3 speed and O.D. I had also installed a 4:11 10 bolt and a rack and pinion front end. I love it; it is a very nice driver. The O.D. performs beautifully in the mountains and we have been on several road trips, both east and west. I don’t pay a lot of attention to fuel economy but the last time I checked on a road trip, it was slightly over 20 mpg. It was time for a change and it seemed like the next logical step would be fuel injection. In between other projects, I am still working out a few bugs. Given enough more birthdays, I will get them all worked out. I think your choice of engines is wise. I have no problems with the 261 but concede the newer generations of engines will perform better. Rickity, Mike, you prove my point – beautiful engineering! I am a product of my time and a little stuck on the appearance of the older engines. Go for it Drew.


1951 Business Coupe w/ '54 235
1951 3100 5-Window w/' 62 Fuel Injected 261 and OD


Edited by chevcpe on 10-18-19 11:01 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mike JW 
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10-18-19 03:17 PM - Post#2778199    
    In response to chevcpe

Very nice, looks great.



 
IgnitionMan 
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10-18-19 03:41 PM - Post#2778202    
    In response to drew1987

Anyone remember all those old Chevrolet UPS vans? The early ones had a 250, later, 202, and they were all throttle body EFI, all went to either auction, or scrap, so there must be a bunch of the engines and transmissions out there, some place.

This idea is GREAT, inline 6, 6 speed, other great stuff, I LIKE IT!



 
drew1987 
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10-18-19 06:14 PM - Post#2778212    
    In response to IgnitionMan

Wow thats gorgeous. I cant imagine how smooth these motors must be with EFI. Shoot at this point I'd settle for all cylinders having equal, efficient pressure. In the 11,500 miles I've put on my car, it's never had a motor that wasnt noticeably worn. Right now and the last few hundred miles with the 235 were the worst.

I dont remember the vans, but do you mean in the USA, cause I was under the impression only brazil got a fuel injected 250. Not doubting you just curiosity is peaked.

I think the Holly sniper gizmo is pretty bullet proof. Comes in 1, 2, and 4 barrel and according to the engineer at holley, its almost impossible to over do it (like, you cant make the mistake of a 750cfm carb on a stock 283... this self adjusts). I like old technology for its simplicity and such, this just seems better for a car that might see 15,000 miles per year

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

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iceteacharlie 
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10-21-19 04:32 AM - Post#2778383    
    In response to rickityfifty

I like where you're headed with that.

The others look clean as well. It's always cool to do something a bit off center from what would be considered typical.

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Edited by iceteacharlie on 10-21-19 04:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
nstlga 
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10-21-19 06:32 AM - Post#2778390    
    In response to chevcpe

That is an awesome looking setup Rich! I almost missed the valve cover......had one of those here in my garage last year for awhile. It belonged to a friend who had picked it up and wasn't sure what he had. I did some research on it for him. Interesting story.

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10-21-19 06:38 AM - Post#2778392    
    In response to iceteacharlie

Brings back memories of a magazine article I read in the mid 70’s about a guy who took a 230 I-6 and put it in a ‘61 or ‘62 Vette. Built it out to 460hp. Had dual quads and IIRC a tri y header. Can’t remember what transmission he put in, but it was a manual. Dynoed a few over 460hp. Torque number escapes me, but it was a very nice setup.

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drew1987 
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10-21-19 09:37 AM - Post#2778420    
    In response to CowboyTrukr

wow thats wild. I know there were only 6 vettes made in 1955 with a 235, and they are worth bucks to say the least, but wow a 60's vette and a modern i6. Cool!

So whats the story with that valve cover?

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nstlga 
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10-21-19 11:59 AM - Post#2778434    
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This is what I dug up on the internet and was told by a member of the 6 cylinder group here in Denver: Valve cover was designed, patented, and cast here in Denver many years back. I looked up the patent on it, but don't remember the date. The story I found was they were created primarily for fleet use by a dairy. They were stronger than the stock covers and could be tightened down without warping, thus not leaking as much. They were also much quieter, emitting less valve train noise. Don't know what the distribution area of them really was, suspect it was mostly local? I have seen probably 1/2 dozen of them. Think there were a couple or more variations. I know I have seen them with and without the patent # cast into them. Was one on eBay awhile back for big $. They don't seem to be worth a large amount of $, more a nostalgia thing for some of the locals around here.

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drew1987 
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10-21-19 12:51 PM - Post#2778439    
    In response to nstlga

Wow very cool

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chevcpe 
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10-22-19 12:23 PM - Post#2778518    
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nstlga and drew1987, thanks for the compliments. As for the valve cover, I have basically the same information you have nstlga – the valve cover was made for commercial use and was a quieter, stronger replacement for the original. Also, the information I have is that they were cast in n/w Denver by a guy named Charles August Wefing (C.A.W.) who lived at the address cast on the valve cover. A 1940 census confirms that he lived in Denver and the Us Patent Office confirms that he filed a patent application on August 1952. I couldn’t find conclusive evidence that he had received a patent. The first one of these valve covers I saw was in the mid-50’s. I was told then that they were cast by Colorado Aluminum Works. Sometime later, I was told that they were cast by Custom Auto Works. I believe now, that both later stories were not true, that they were in fact cast by Charles A. Wefing. Many were sanded and polished by the owners.

1951 Business Coupe w/ '54 235
1951 3100 5-Window w/' 62 Fuel Injected 261 and OD


Edited by chevcpe on 10-22-19 12:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bhut 
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10-26-19 09:47 AM - Post#2778800    
    In response to drew1987

Wonder if you could get your hands on one of these?
Not a ton of power, but I bet they are reliable.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/the-chevy-250-...

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drew1987 
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10-26-19 05:06 PM - Post#2778831    
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Woh hold the phone. That’s cool! Says it was in What we knew as the Cadillac Catara but the year before it came to the US. would be beat to have the Dohc 300hp one but at the same time then it’s not a Chevy anymore. Might as well do the Toyota 5.0l v12. Something about that feels way more wrong though haha

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Edited by drew1987 on 10-26-19 05:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


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