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Username Post: Speedway IFS questions        (Topic#357974)
496bb 
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09-08-19 05:17 PM - Post#2775070    

OK, I've searched but really didn't find answers. I may have an opportunity to buy an unused Speedway Motors Mustang style IFS kit for my 49. The guy already welded up the crossmember, so I'd buy one of those from Speedway. Anybody have personal experience with this kit and Speedways crossmember? I have a Jag IFS that I was going to use, but I'll have to rebuild it and get a new rack or have the Jag rack rebuilt. Cost wise, if I can get this kit pretty cheap compared what it would cost new - I might not be much money ahead if I used the Jag. Certainly would be less work than cleaning and rebuilding the Jag, fabbing the mounts and all.

Thoughts?



 


drew1987 
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09-08-19 05:35 PM - Post#2775075    
    In response to 496bb

I've talked to Heitz and Fatman recently, both say almost every part (and literally every wear component) can be purchased at a retail parts store. Make sure that this is the same thing

ive got a camaro frame im sitting on, second guessing and considering mustang now. But I want to keep the soft ride - most dont.

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

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Shepherd 
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09-08-19 06:16 PM - Post#2775081    
    In response to drew1987

My 51 has a Fatman M11 front end, the older type M11 steering rack is not good, they no longer use them, the 79-93 GT power rack is much better, not so twitchy at highway speeds. With the GM p/s pump you must put a flow restrictor in the pressure outlet. Handles great with a precise alignment.



 
drew1987 
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09-09-19 04:32 AM - Post#2775112    
    In response to Shepherd

How’s it ride?

I’ve heard a fox body rack is better. Are they direct swap from a m2?

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

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drew1987 
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09-09-19 04:49 AM - Post#2775113    
    In response to drew1987

Answer:

A dude named Autosay97 on a mustang forum said this


“Every dimension on the mustang II manual rack is the exact same as a fox manual rack including overall length, tie rod threads, steering stem length....everything except for the mounting stud spread on the k-member. Fox=15.5" and Mustang II= 16". The cure? Offset rack bushings make the spread 15 5/8" on the mustang II rack. You can force it to overcome the 1/8th inch difference but I simply trimmed a very small section of the poly bushing to help.”

A very quick google search reveals these bushings are a common thing. I wouldn’t want the urethane because I’m going for soft and smooth, but all of you who want a 50’s car that handles like your neighbor kids 300hp Honda Civic would.

I am going to share this with people I know running m2




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Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

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Shepherd 
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09-09-19 05:27 AM - Post#2775115    
    In response to drew1987

Comfortable ride, I have KYB gas shocks all around, the Fatman xmember has one elongated rack mount hole so either one is a bolt on.



Edited by Shepherd on 09-09-19 05:28 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
tommy49 
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09-09-19 05:55 AM - Post#2775117    
    In response to 496bb

I have the Total Cost Involved IFS for my 49 siting on the table. Hope to start the install in a couple weeks.

Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 4.8/4L60E swap in progress, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tommyfortynine /album...




 
drew1987 
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09-09-19 06:04 AM - Post#2775118    
    In response to tommy49

Not to hijack - just wondering whats the actual difference with a $2700 fatman, $2300 heightz, and the $1350 one on ebay. If they are all the same dimensions, all the same components, but the ware items (ball joints etc) are a lower grade, that almost makes sense for someone who only drives 5,000 miles per year and doesnt have a lot of money (like me hahah)

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Shepherd 
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09-09-19 06:10 AM - Post#2775120    
    In response to drew1987

Drew, haven't checked those items, but some may or may not have a power rack, tubular stainless control arms, adjustable upper spring pockets, Ft stabilizer bar, coil overs, all options.



 
johnwd98 
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09-09-19 06:11 AM - Post#2775122    
    In response to 496bb

I bought my MII from Speedway about 7-8 years ago, but since the kit you are looking at may have been bought years ago too, I'll comment. Been driving my 50 Fleetline for about 5 years, so far so good. People ask me how it drives or rides, I tell them like an old Mustang Haha. It's not like a new car but, I didn't expect that from an 70 year old body style. The ball joints are screw in type Mopar, calipers, I believe Impala. Power rack is Thunderbird, if I remember right. Rotors are one piece Chevelle. I think that I wish I would have got the 2" drop spindles, not sure though. Crossmember installation instructions are minimal but, that's all I really needed. The bad is that the ball joint boots donot seal to the ball joints or control arms. I welded an extra ring around the ball joint mounts to keep the boots in place. No rubber stop to keep the control arms from lowering too far when jacked up. Looks like the shock absorber does that job. Have a hydraulic hose shop make you a custom PS hose to fit your GM power steering pump, and the Ford rack. Don't buy the hose kit from Speedway or CPP (same kit I believe). Other than the ball joint boot issue and the hose kit, I'm happy with the Speedway MII kit. I did call Speedway before I bought it, and an employee there told me that the control arms were Hiedts.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
johnwd98 
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09-09-19 06:19 AM - Post#2775125    
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One other thing. It's wise to plan ahead and match your coil springs to the finished car. I called Speedway about that too. If you plan on a V8 with A/C you need stiffer front coil springs because of the extra weight.


1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
496bb 
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09-09-19 07:13 AM - Post#2775129    
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Thanks John for your informative answer to my question, and not hijacking the thread and continuing a conversation that has nothing to do with my question!



 
19Chevy50 
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09-09-19 10:18 AM - Post#2775143    
    In response to 496bb

I agree with John on the Speedway set up. I have done the same with my 50. Make sure if you use a power rack you have someone make the hose for the power rack to GM pump. I ended up going that way after making the mistake of using the kit.



 
drew1987 
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09-10-19 03:05 AM - Post#2775215    
    In response to 19Chevy50

All makes sense. The kit I speak of is all tubular, modern brakes, etc. but I think it makes sense to buy an x member arms brakes and do adjustable coil overs and a 1993 rack as both are an improvement.


Rides like an old mustang.... not sure cause I’ve never been in one haha. Is that smoother than our car?

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

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johnwd98 
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09-10-19 05:55 AM - Post#2775222    
    In response to 496bb

You're welcome, 496bb. As I 've said in the past my comments are usually based on my own hands on experience, if not I'll say so. As for hijacking, it's usually best to ignore them and the confusion they can cause. There is plenty of good reliable help here that can stick to the original topic.

1950 Fleetline, 355 TBI, mild cam, 700R4, 3.73 posi rear Blazer axle, MII front. Remote door and trunk locks, GM cruise control, A/C,


 
drew1987 
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09-13-19 07:16 PM - Post#2775483    
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  • johnwd98 Said:
You're welcome, 496bb. As I 've said in the past my comments are usually based on my own hands on experience, if not I'll say so. As for hijacking, it's usually best to ignore them and the confusion they can cause. There is plenty of good reliable help here that can stick to the original topic.





I certainly hope that hijacking comment wasnt to me, I meant I didnt want to steal the microphone, out of courtesy, but I certainly didnt change the topic, and I've more than put in my time here.




Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

'50 Deluxe 4dr v8 auto

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Edited by drew1987 on 09-13-19 07:16 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
gcrkfrd 
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09-14-19 09:10 AM - Post#2775505    
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He asked for thoughts. He got thoughts.



 
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09-14-19 07:56 PM - Post#2775530    
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  • gcrkfrd Said:
He asked for thoughts. He got thoughts.


That's what I thought!


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1953 210 4 Door, 235 with Powerglide. All original except for the 1954 hood bird.

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