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Username Post: Door seal ?        (Topic#357722)
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08-19-19 10:53 AM - Post#2773567    

I’m getting ready to install the door weather seal on my 60 Impala 2door hardtop that goes down the front edge of the door along the bottom and up the rear edge. There are little white plastic studs that are imbedded into the seal that push into holes along the front and rear edge of the door but along the bottom there are holes that a little black plastic insert in suppose to go in first and then the little black plastic studs that are imbedded in the seal are pushed into them but my problem is that the little inserts will not stay in the holes. I will of course use adhesive on the seal but it just seems that they should at least stay in without falling out. Has anyone else experienced this. Lamar

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Inserts for the holes on the bottom of the door.


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08-19-19 03:08 PM - Post#2773588    
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  • PLS Said:
I’m getting ready to install the door weather seal on my 60 Impala 2door hardtop that goes down the front edge of the door along the bottom and up the rear edge. There are little white plastic studs that are imbedded into the seal that push into holes along the front and rear edge of the door but along the bottom there are holes that a little black plastic insert in suppose to go in first and then the little black plastic studs that are imbedded in the seal are pushed into them but my problem is that the little inserts will not stay in the holes. I will of course use adhesive on the seal but it just seems that they should at least stay in without falling out. Has anyone else experienced this. Lamar



Lamar,
I kind of remember this, the black piece you have separate in your hand, will it separate from the white "T" clip that fits in the weatherstrip it's self (by pics they are black now to? barbed T) or were they sold separate?
I still have a few boxes of hardware left from my 59 project I finished in 03, it's kind of funny I was going through it earlier because of another post here, and there was 1 of those "black" pieces you were holding, except it is white, and the metal clips that hold the door panel to the door were in the same "slot" and fit into it rather nicely?


So will the black piece alone fit in the holes on the bottom of the door alone? for the weatherstrip barbed T?
If not I want to say the white (now black) "T" clip did fit alone (will come back to that)? now this is 2002-2003 remember...
originally they had a clip that slid in there but the aftermarket "black" piece was to large if I remember, so you would have a few choices possibly, with the separate black piece off the w/s (used to be white) , take a needle nose pliers and remove the "T" clip, hold the base of clip, slide one way or other just a little a twist the pliers so the "T" clip comes out of the w/s, be careful not to rip it.
See if it (The T clip) fits the hole or not on the door, cannot be loose in the hole. if so then you need to see how loose it is, since you need friction to hold them in place.
I asked earlier if the cone black clip fit the hole, it would need to go all the way to the edge on the clip, then take the separate "T" clip by it's self and see just how tight it is, cause once it goes in it's good, but aftermarket clips especially on doors don't seem to fit right, and again it's usually on the door panels and the weatherstrip.
Since your door is already painted and the "T"is too tight but the cone goes in OK you may have to drill the cones just a bit even by hand like you were using a file, would suggest doing the drilling off the car on the clips, once you get a tight fit your OK, time consuming at first, but once you figure out if you need the cone or need to drill it, it will go faster, one thing I do remember, it I pushed them in (the T's) with the wooded end of a small hammer, some I was able to get in with palm of hand pushing the hammer and others I had to tap (TAP) in leaving the T's on the weatherstrip on, although not impossible the w/s is easier to put on while the T is in the weatherstrip.
Since the weatherstrips are new the T's may come out at the corners, don't panic, loosen the t
T and slide the w/s on w/o pliers.
And at the top of the door in the front you have to use the plastic round barbed buttons, but also kind of did it in stages using 3M's door w/s glue, (Black kind) since it takes a while to set up, is why I did it a little at a time, shut the door, let it sit overnight, open the door and roll the w/s and add a little more glue if needed, may be overkill, but once that black glue has dried it be hard to get off, I haves seen some guys mask the area where the paint shows in case it does squeeze out.
I know this is a long rendension of 1 or 2 ways to do it, Alta fasteners on eBay may have the "T" clips that will slide into the w/s and have a bigger base to fit well. I have a ton of pics of that car, but sticking w/s on I don't believe were in the mix of pics. but i'll look!
Good luck!

Gotta love these old cars, kind of going through the same deal with a friends 67 Impala, the "PUI" door panels, they should have a nail strip, but they have nothing! the clips that they suggest are supposed to work look like what went on the 59, but there is not even a hole in the cardboard, and they are assembled.

Who did your door panels? they look nice from below

Thanks!


Bill H.
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08-20-19 07:57 AM - Post#2773652    
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Hey Bill, thank you very much for your in-depth reply! Sorry for the delay in replying but I had to wait until this morning to go down and check everything again. When I got to your part about the doors were already painted, bingo, that’s probably it.When I pushed the little insert in yesterday, it looked like that it was all the way in but when I went down this morning and used a light, I could tell that it lacked a very little bit in order to be completed seated. I used a drill bit a little smaller than the hole and as you suggested, in a filing motion and removed the primer and paint that had reduced the size of the hole (you can see paint inside the hole in the picture) and then the insert went all the way flush. The only two that isn’t seating too good is the two at the front and rear corners because they are in the rounded part of the door but this will be no problem. Now my other problem is finding the inserts for the other door. I ordered the seals so long ago that I think that I have misplaced the other inserts and if I can figure out where I bought them, I will see if I can buy just the inserts. As for the door panels I got my complete interior from Ciadella Interiors. I sent my top rails for the panels and they sent the completed ones back. Again, thank you very much! Lamar

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Door panel by Ciadella




 
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08-21-19 09:10 AM - Post#2773757    
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  • PLS Said:
Hey Bill, thank you very much for your in-depth reply! Sorry for the delay in replying but I had to wait until this morning to go down and check everything again. When I got to your part about the doors were already painted, bingo, that’s probably it.When I pushed the little insert in yesterday, it looked like that it was all the way in but when I went down this morning and used a light, I could tell that it lacked a very little bit in order to be completed seated. I used a drill bit a little smaller than the hole and as you suggested, in a filing motion and removed the primer and paint that had reduced the size of the hole (you can see paint inside the hole in the picture) and then the insert went all the way flush. The only two that isn’t seating too good is the two at the front and rear corners because they are in the rounded part of the door but this will be no problem. Now my other problem is finding the inserts for the other door. I ordered the seals so long ago that I think that I have misplaced the other inserts and if I can figure out where I bought them, I will see if I can buy just the inserts. As for the door panels I got my complete interior from Ciadella Interiors. I sent my top rails for the panels and they sent the completed ones back. Again, thank you very much! Lamar



Lamar,
Thanks, but a few thinks maybe I didn't get across, by drilling, I was thinking the plastic black piece, not the paint, sorry, need to seal that paint if possible.
or Maybe on other door I pull the black domed piece through from the inside? was thinking to make the hole larger in the plastic (If that makes sense?) don't want bare metal if possible.

Can see it is a VERY clean car, and garage kept, hopefully you don't have much humidity where you live like here in phoenix there is not much, but the doors looked clean from the beginning so it should not be an issue, may try something like clear fingernail polish from inside to put around where paint was broke, it's why I would consider Auvco on eBay for ideas for additional clips for other side, I had gotten my original door panels from Ciadella years ago, they fit well, but noticed 3 screws, 1 in front and 2 in back of door, is that to hold the door cards (panels) close? the clips did not hold?
Or maybe in 60 they did that?


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Door screws along bottom, do not recall if I added the upper one by dash or not, by today's standards they are are pretty primitive.


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08-22-19 09:05 AM - Post#2773809    
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Thank you Bill, even though you weren’t talking about drilling out the holes and I thought that you were it solved the problem of getting the inserts in. I checked out Auvco but didn’t see anything like mine but I am going to see if I can send them a picture of the inserts if I don’t have any luck in finding the ones that came with the seals. As far as the car being clean and garaged that is a long story that you can check out here: https://chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/3...
I have put about 700 miles on it since Jan. of this year when I drove it for the first time since either late 1968 or early 1969, to the alignment shop. As for the extra screws in the door panels, it was a pain trying to get the holes for the window cranks and the holes for the armrest in the exact position especially the armrest because there wasn’t much room for era. I used the nails the first time that I put the panel in place and when I removed it one of the nails broke so I just broke the rest of them off and installed 2 screws at the rear and one at the front, it’s not correct but it works and much easier to work with. How about a link to more pictures of your car, the doors look great! Lamar


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Insert is tapered almost all the way to the flange then that part is straight--with the paint build-up in the hole the insert would only go in up to the straight part. Once the build-up was removed the insert pretty much just snapped in. These inserts have to be installed from the out side.


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The original seal had the wire loops for every hole.


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The new seal has the white studs for the front and rear holes.


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I don't understand why GM would use larger holes on the bottom and since they did the new seal uses the insert and the black studs.




 
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08-23-19 05:05 PM - Post#2773909    
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Lamar,
Some engineer looking for a promotion

So many times I wonder why they did something, and figured because they did not have to work on them !!!!!!!

Great picks though, I watched the build, Great Job!
The story behind it was great too!

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08-23-19 06:40 PM - Post#2773917    
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Hi I am going through this process now I have my new door seals from Precision rubber (1960 Elcamino) i have ordered the new black rubber inserts for the bottom of the door also. I dont understand why they used the small holes up top and inserts down the bottom either.
When it comes to gluing the seal do you follow the workshop manual ?
Or just use glue everywhere ?
My new seals have just white studs on them no black ones. My old inserts in the door are so old and hard that the new plastic studs wont fit without a lot of force I am hoping the new ones I buy will work better . Yes the original seal had wire studs holding them in place
I am using Permatex weatherstrip adhesive



Edited by 1belair1954 on 08-23-19 06:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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08-24-19 12:15 PM - Post#2773957    
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Thank you Bill, and you are probably correct on the promotion thing. Lamar



 
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08-24-19 12:30 PM - Post#2773960    
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I haven’t decided what I am going to do as far as the gluing, if any I will probably go with the manual. The only one that I have gotten on as of yet is the “J” piece and I used the adhesive in the picture, I have used this for many years on rubber insulation for refrigerant lines with good luck. I used the black adhesive that was recommended on all of the other seals that required adhesive and I have had a few problems of in a few places of it turning loose. I watched a video “In the garage” or something like that and did what they said but it still didn’t work 100%. Using the Weldwood you have to be a little more careful because I think that it grabs quicker and is less forgiving than the black adhesive. Who did you order your inserts from? Lamar

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08-24-19 02:18 PM - Post#2773964    
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Never heard of that product, pretty much all I have ever used is super weatherstrip adhesive black #08008, but it’s been a while since I have bought any, products change all the

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08-24-19 07:12 PM - Post#2773979    
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Yep I might follow the manual also it will also make it easier to remove the seals in future also.
The permatex weathestrip adhesive is yellow which is a pain just have to be careful not to dirty the seals. My parts store only carried this product.
I am really mad at myself i broke one of the quarter window seals as i was installing it will just leave it to expensive for me to buy another one hopefully i might repair it with black silicon down the track.



 
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08-31-19 05:07 AM - Post#2774543    
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Good thinking Lamar, I like it!

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