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Username Post: Carb is too old        (Topic#357404)
Tanxane 
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09-21-19 11:40 PM - Post#2776103    
    In response to Mirango53

The day after the rain, the car and my motorbikes are down there

After 3 looong days waiting, the garage is empty, we can remove the car.


The mud is everywhere and after 5 years I still find some. The worst thing is that down in the garage is the pool technical area with all the chemical


So, I started to unbuild that car one more time.




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drew1987 
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09-22-19 05:18 AM - Post#2776118    
    In response to Tanxane

Oh that is sickening =( one blessing you can count is that it wasnt fire or earthquake that destroyed it, as water damage can be undone

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

'50 Deluxe 4dr v8 auto

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Tanxane 
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10-31-19 08:21 AM - Post#2779210    
    In response to drew1987

So, I've found my new Carb, it's a Carter 2101S, it was rebuilt but not in a perfect shape, a little rusty. So I unbuilt it but there is a thing missing I think : This little ball should go in the hole and there should be a part on it... But there is nothing. Can you help me ?

.

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drtyler 
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11-01-19 07:19 AM - Post#2779293    
    In response to Tanxane

https://www.carburetor-parts.com/Carter-YF-Explode...

The ball is 34, and you are missing the ball weight 35?



Edited by drtyler on 11-01-19 07:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tanxane 
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11-01-19 10:08 AM - Post#2779308    
    In response to drtyler

That's what I was afraid, any idea where I could find this small part or it's characteristics to fabricate a new one

Edit : I was tired I think, I found it in your link.

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Edited by Tanxane on 11-02-19 12:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
carbking 
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11-03-19 06:16 AM - Post#2779429    
    In response to Tanxane

Note the top of the page:

"Carter YF 1 barrel downdraft carburetor exploded view with parts list. Please notice that this is a somewhat generic breakdown of the YF carburetor. Your YF may differ in some places. This should also not be confused with the Carter YFA carburetor."

That exploded view is a "one size fits all, is correct for none"!

THERE IS NO CHECK BALL (IN THE PUMP DISCHARGE PASSAGE) OR CHECK BALL WEIGHT IN THE 2101S.

Carter used a number of different "pump discharge check valves" in various carburetors. These were:

(A) round ball (several different sizes used)
(B) round ball with square weight
(C) square pointed weight (several different sizes)

Some of the earliest type YF carburetors used the round ball with square weight (B above). This was discontinued, and the ball and weight were superseded by (C) a square pointed weight. WHY? Too many folks lost the weight.

The 2101s was released with the square needle, never with the ball and weight.

The 2101s did have a ball (no weight) in the pump inlet passage (this may be found in the bottom of the square pump housing) but this ball is not removable.

EDIT: I would suggest ALWAYS look at the bill-of-material for the SPECIFIC carburetor first; then if one does not know where a specific part goes, try the generic exploded view.

Just as a point of interest (maybe), when I rebuild my first carburetor (in 1958), I unknowingly used such an exploded view. Was a pretty conscientious kid at age 14, and when I finished the carb, had three pieces "missing". I looked for those three missing pieces for THREE DAYS before I gave up and told my Dad. He said "no problem, we will take it to a mechanic friend of mine on Saturday". We did, and I showed him the carb and the exploded view, AND HE STARTED LAUGHING! I asked him what was so funny, and he explained the pieces in the diagram were never in my carburetor, and he was not laughing at me, but the situation. And he complemented me on my rebuild; but I still didn't appreciate the laughter. This is why to this day, I refuse to put generic instructions or generic exploded views in either the kits I manufacture or my website. One cost me three days, and a lot of embarrassment!

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air!

The most expensive carburetor you will ever buy.....is the incorrect one you attempt to modify!

If you truly believe "one size fits all", trying walking a mile in your spouse's shoes!


Edited by carbking on 11-03-19 06:29 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tanxane 
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11-03-19 01:24 PM - Post#2779466    
    In response to carbking

Thank you very much for these explanations Jon, but do you know where this ball come from ?

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carbking 
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11-03-19 02:23 PM - Post#2779472    
    In response to Tanxane

Do you have the pointed square needle in the pump discharge passage? If not, the ball was possibly incorrectly there. If you have the pointed needle, then remove the square pump housing held in place by four screws, and look at the bottom of this housing. Should be a ball in the pump inlet passage of this housing, which should not be removed.This ball is number 37 in the illustration.

Ball & weight numbers 34 and 35 were replaced by the square needle.

Look at Ebay 322348564586, 2nd picture from left. The needle is pictured at the lower left of the 2nd picture just to the right of the stack of 6 clips.

Jon

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air!

The most expensive carburetor you will ever buy.....is the incorrect one you attempt to modify!

If you truly believe "one size fits all", trying walking a mile in your spouse's shoes!


Edited by carbking on 11-03-19 02:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tanxane 
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11-04-19 04:42 AM - Post#2779509    
    In response to carbking

Hi Jon,
I think that the pump discharge passage is where I put the red arrow on my picture ?

If yes, I do not have any pointed square needle in that place, there was the ball (I think).

The ball N°37 is in its place in the pump housing.

So, I understand I need to buy the pointed square needle...

Thanks for your help Jon.


The story of my 54 Bel Air HT : Clic here


Edited by Tanxane on 11-04-19 04:43 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
carbking 
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11-04-19 05:44 AM - Post#2779513    
    In response to Tanxane

  • Tanxane Said:
Hi Jon,
I think that the pump discharge passage is where I put the red arrow on my picture ?

If yes, I do not have any pointed square needle in that place, there was the ball (I think).

The ball N°37 is in its place in the pump housing.

So, I understand I need to buy the pointed square needle...

Thanks for your help Jon.




Carter part number is 17-78. Don't know where you might find the part outside of a rebuilding kit.

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air!

The most expensive carburetor you will ever buy.....is the incorrect one you attempt to modify!

If you truly believe "one size fits all", trying walking a mile in your spouse's shoes!


 
Tanxane 
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11-08-19 09:37 AM - Post#2779778    
    In response to carbking

Thank you Jon, Now I know so I'm searching.

The story of my 54 Bel Air HT : Clic here


 
dsacton 
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11-08-19 04:26 PM - Post#2779802    
    In response to Tanxane

Sorry, I am just now reading this thread. When I first started restoring my '54, I kept detailed notes and put them on a website. (I don't have the energy for that now!) Anyhow, I thought that perhaps this series of photos from the dismantling of my carburetor might be helpful:

http://www.my54chevy.com/page9/page9.html

Just click NEXT PAGE to scroll through the photos.

Cheers,

Scott Acton
1954 Chevy Bel Air 2-door
http://www.my54chevy.com


Edited by dsacton on 11-08-19 04:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tanxane 
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11-09-19 01:44 AM - Post#2779819    
    In response to dsacton

Thank you very much for this link, but this is about a Rochester on my car but I'm trying to change for a Carter YF.

Anyway, I'm going to visit all your website because it seems very interesting. I’ve already printed the wiring diagram


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dsacton 
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11-11-19 04:56 PM - Post#2780007    
    In response to Tanxane

I thought that might be the case, but couldn't tell for sure. Good luck!



Scott Acton
1954 Chevy Bel Air 2-door
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