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Username Post: '61 Biscayne Rear Seat Questions        (Topic#357017)
bluefire 
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06-29-19 10:54 AM - Post#2769511    

My '61 Biscayne was born as a Utility sedan. Consequently, it didn't come with a rear set. Someone added one before I owned the car.

The car doesn't have the seat hooks on the floor pan. I haven't been able to find a reproduction. Does anyone know of one or a suitable substitute?

Is there something the rear part of the seat is supposed to attach to?

Also, the rear upper back has two slotted tabs on the outside of each lower corner. It looks like bolts would go through them into the car, but there is nothing there for them to go into. Is that stock or a seat back from another car maybe?

Thanks!

Dave



Edited by bluefire on 06-29-19 01:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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pvs409 
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06-29-19 12:43 PM - Post#2769517    
    In response to bluefire

I think 2 door upper seat attachment is the same as 2 door Hardtops. The seat springs hook over hooks (at least 4 to 5 of them) that are attached/welded by the factory to the top edge of metal support structure near the package tray.

The lower corners of the vertical seat springs (were you have the slots) were attached to the car by flat bendable tabs (attached to the wheel well/floor by the factory) These about 2 inch long bendable tabs were bent straight to remove the seat spring and then bent over in the slot to hold the bottom of the seat. These bendable tabs would/could eventually wear out by breaking off from being bent too many times. These bendable tabs were used on 62 to 64 hardtops also just not in the corners of the seat springs like your 2 door sedan.

I think the lower front of the lower seat springs hooked to welded tabs with 2 hooks that were factory welded to the floor pans(a friend of mine just made some of these for his 2 door hardtop floor -he would probably make 2 more to sell).

I think the back of the lower seat springs slid into slots welded to the floor pan -then part of the lower seat springs slid into these slots(I am not sure about these lower seat attachment comments). Someone with a 2 door sedan can confirm this seat information. I know the bendable tabs information is correct.

Paul

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62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
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bluefire 
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06-29-19 01:25 PM - Post#2769518    
    In response to pvs409

Paul,

Thanks very much. That explains a lot. I haven't taken the seat back out yet (next weekend) so I'm not sure what hooks are near the package tray. I'm sure someone had to make something up, because they sure weren't there when the car was new. If your friend is interested in making another set of hooks, let me know what he want for them. A picture would be nice, too. Thanks!

Dave



 
DonSSDD 
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06-29-19 02:25 PM - Post#2769523    
    In response to bluefire

I would say if you found any sedan or hardtop, you would see what you need and the brackets are likely all the same. They may even be in the identical spot since the fastening points are likely the same even though the seats are different?

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pvs409 
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06-29-19 02:42 PM - Post#2769524    
    In response to bluefire

here are the hooks by the package tray in the first or top picture
Plus the front hooks for the front of the lower seat springs( 2 hooks on each mount) are on a convertible floor pan in my picture -but these hooks are the same on all 61 to 64 Hardtops and convertibles
( I think sedan had them?)

These two lower rear floor pan hooks are hidden under the front of the rear seat bottom when they are attached to a U shaped part of the lower seat spring.

Paul

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2 of 4 factory Upper hooks by the package tray on 61 to 64 Hardtops -they hold the upper seat springs in place -you set the springs on these 4 hooks -then hook the bottom to the floor pan using factory bendable tabs


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pictures of 2 hooks that are factory welded to the rear floor pans, just below the and to the rear of the lower seat springs on all 61 to 64 Chevy Hardtops and convertibles - this picture is from a 62 Chevy convertible -they have 2 hooks on each attachment that hook to the front of all lower seat springs -to hold the seat springs down in place


57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
bluefire 
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06-29-19 03:23 PM - Post#2769526    
    In response to pvs409

Thanks, Paul. I meant pictures of your friend's hooks. I've scoured the net for pictures of the lower hooks. But I appreciate it all the same!

Dave



 
bluefire 
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06-29-19 03:25 PM - Post#2769527    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
I would say if you found any sedan or hardtop, you would see what you need and the brackets are likely all the same. They may even be in the identical spot since the fastening points are likely the same even though the seats are different?




Thanks Don. Yeah I've been looking at every picture I can find on the net.



 
DonSSDD 
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06-30-19 12:41 PM - Post#2769580    
    In response to bluefire

I’d say these seat anchoring points are the same as what Paul showed you for all 2 door and 4 door cars that have this floor pan, the odd one is the convertible and the wagon, which both had no package shelf. For all others, I’d say the seat anchoring points were the same.

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55Brodie 
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06-30-19 01:22 PM - Post#2769582    
    In response to bluefire

I would think the utility sedan would be somewhat rare and more valuable without adding a rear seat. Just MHO.



 
bluefire 
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06-30-19 01:33 PM - Post#2769583    
    In response to 55Brodie

Yeah, but that was done way before I got it. It's not even close to stock. ( V8 replacing I6, TH350 instead of 3 on the tree, etc.) It wouldn't be worth much without having the original interior that covered the rear "seat"/cargo area. I've never even seen a picture of a '61 Utility interior. It's too late to go back to original.



 
Verne_Frantz 
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06-30-19 07:58 PM - Post#2769615    
    In response to 55Brodie

  • 55Brodie Said:
I would think the utility sedan would be somewhat rare and more valuable without adding a rear seat. Just MHO.



I agree, and it's never too late to back. Besides, why put people in the back seat if they can't even roll down the windows?? Those windows are FIXED.

Verne


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bluefire 
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07-01-19 06:53 AM - Post#2769622    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

Mine has rear side windows that work, so apparently someone added them at some point.
Guys, I don't have the time, money or inclination to try to restore this car back to stock. It is what it is. Thanks.



 
bluefire 
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07-06-19 03:27 PM - Post#2770069    
    In response to bluefire

I took out the back seat today to put in a trunk divider. The seat bottom clearly isn't one made for this car. The frame has been cut in the middle to fit and the "loops" that would go into missing hooks aren't there. Seems to be another set of "loops" that would catch a different style of hook. It also seems like my floor pan is a little different. Aside from the missing seat hooks, there are two other screw holes and dips in the pan. Maybe for the rear area cover originally?




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Full Seat Bottom


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Center


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Floor Pan




 
pvs409 
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07-07-19 11:22 AM - Post#2770112    
    In response to bluefire

The springs are not cut in the center over the floor tunnel, that is the way the factory made the springs with a open area without springs to fit over the factory floor tunnel.

The springs in your pictures do not look like 62 rear seat springs.
I have some pictures of 1962 2 door Hardtop ( 61 to 64 Hardtop are the same), I will find them.
With a Biscayne there were no rear lower arm rests so the springs were wider than Hardtop springs, that had lower arm rests.

Paul

57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4 (sold)
62 Imp HT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible
http://paulstensland.com


 
bluefire 
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07-07-19 02:36 PM - Post#2770133    
    In response to pvs409

Thanks, Paul! That's interesting about the "missing" springs in the center. They sure look like they were cut. I didn't know the Biscayne seat bottom would be different. Of course, my car had arm rests added at some point. I had to remove them to get the seat back out. D'oh!



 
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