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Username Post: Is this for power steering?        (Topic#356889)
Eth727 
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06-18-19 10:49 PM - Post#2768798    

I’m still getting to know my car. I have 2 groove pulleys and wondered why since I not have 1 belt attached. I don’t think i have power steering because it’s hard to turn the wheel. I came across these as can be seen in the photo. What is it?

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06-18-19 10:49 PM - Post#2768799    
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06-19-19 04:58 AM - Post#2768807    
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Looks to me like you at least have the ps pump.
Jeff

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06-19-19 05:36 AM - Post#2768809    
    In response to Eth727

There must have been a problem somewhere in the power assisted system and the belt was removed. Can you turn the pump pulley by hand? CT member Jalapeño is the guy to walk you through this. That is a one year pump and pulley only and the availability is about the same as chicken teeth 😆



 
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06-19-19 09:33 AM - Post#2768824    
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Yeah I rotated it and it came off. Talking about half censored work.



 
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06-19-19 10:28 AM - Post#2768826    
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What do you mean, it came off, in your picture I can see the nut that holds it on? I feel your pain.

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This is what mine looked like.


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Does your pulley look like this on the front "star indentions"?


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Does yours have the return where I have mine circled?




 
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06-19-19 11:13 AM - Post#2768831    
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When I rotated the pulley it moved forward like I could just pull it right out. The radiator prevent me from pulling it all the way out. I have return lines and hoses. Can I fix this myself?



 
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06-19-19 12:33 PM - Post#2768834    
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You can fix it yourself if you get the tools. NO, you can't do it with a crescent wrench.
It's not a real major job, but you need a power steering pump pulley puller/installer.
Some parts houses will let you borrow one. You have to pay for it, then they will refund the money when you take it back.
Lamar says this is a one year pump. I don't know if it is the pump he is talking about, or the housing. The pump in your picture looks like almost every GM pump that I have ever seen. You might have to change your housing, but the pump may be available from a local parts house.
Rockauto lists several as in stock. Both with and without housing.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/chevrolet, 1960...

Griff

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06-19-19 01:38 PM - Post#2768837    
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  • Eth727 Said:
When I rotated the pulley it moved forward like I could just pull it right out. The radiator prevent me from pulling it all the way out. I have return lines and hoses. Can I fix this myself?






If you are saying that the shaft is coming out with the pulley, you have a problem. The shaft is held in place with a “drive shaft end snap ring”, so something has happened somewhere between the snap ring and pulley. I cleaned and rebuilt mine initially with a rebuild kit from Advance Auto Parts but all of their kits were packaged with the wrong front seal, it was too large to go in. The commercial counter guy looked it up in the book, not computer, and found the correct one for me. After I finished it and got it installed it leaked so I disassembled it again and found that the bushing was really in bad shape and they aren’t reproduced and the ones that come in the kit will not work. That is when I sent it to Jalapeno to rebuild, he had another pump and installed it in my housing. I don’t see why you couldn’t rebuild it yourself but you will really need the 1959-1960 shop manual supplement be careful to record how it comes apart.










  • beagrizzly Said:
You can fix it yourself if you get the tools. NO, you can't do it with a crescent wrench.
It's not a real major job, but you need a power steering pump pulley puller/installer.
Some parts houses will let you borrow one. You have to pay for it, then they will refund the money when you take it back.
Lamar says this is a one year pump. I don't know if it is the pump he is talking about, or the housing. The pump in your picture looks like almost every GM pump that I have ever seen. You might have to change your housing, but the pump may be available from a local parts house.
Rockauto lists several as in stock. Both with and without housing.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/chevrolet, 1960...

Griff





Hey Griff, I agree with you most of the time but ask me how I KNOW that you can’t remove that pulley with a puller if it is like the one that I have pictured. When I got ready to repair my pump back in 2013 I used my puller and then realized that I had bent the pulley. I didn’t take a picture of the apparatus that I made to help me get it off and it is hard to explain what it looked like but it had supports under the pulley and I used a punch and hammer to drive the shaft out of the pulley after soaking a couple of days with penetrating oil. As far as a replacement from rockauto I really don’t know but check out my post on this subject and read ALL of jalapeno’s reply, if anyone knows, he does. https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...







 
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06-19-19 02:39 PM - Post#2768840    
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Yeah the shaft was able to come out by hand and only thing that prevent me from pulling it all the way was the radiator.



 
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06-20-19 09:11 AM - Post#2768887    
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Lamar,
I didn't look very closely at his pulley. My bad. When I saw the pic, my mind's eye jumped to the one with the little groove under the center hub.
Sorry for the bad information, and thanks for showing me the error of my ways.
If this pump/pulley combination is that scarce, I believe that I would try to convert it to one of the later models that are lying around tripping everybody.
Actually, the little electric thing is looking pretty good to me.

Griff


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06-20-19 09:20 AM - Post#2768888    
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I just read your link. HaHa. I don't even remember posting that!! back in 2013? I'm getting OLD!! They say that memory is the second thing to go.
No I don't remember what the first thing was.
Oh well.

Griff

if you're gonna be a bear..................

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2009 Silverado
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06-21-19 02:33 PM - Post#2768950    
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One year only? Looks like a typical pump and pulley and bracket setup



 
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06-21-19 03:44 PM - Post#2768955    
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Hey Griff, let me back up a bit, the pulley is still repro’d I think, but to keep it original the star burst ones are rare or at least they were when I bent mine and tried to find one. Can you believe that it has been around 6 years since that post? Lamar



 
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06-21-19 03:46 PM - Post#2768956    
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I suppose that looks can be deceiving, the info on the pump was supplied by jalapeno . https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showpost.php?po...
https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showpost.php?po...
and he is the owner of https://authenticautomoti ve.net/




 
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06-22-19 02:08 PM - Post#2768995    
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Hey guys been busy and haven't had a chance to look at the pump. Do ya'll think it's better to just buy a new,later model one or just get the parts and fix the one I got?



 
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06-22-19 07:23 PM - Post#2769016    
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I wanted to keep my car as close to the way that it was the day that I bought it so I did all that I could in order to accomplish that and so I ended up spending too much on a pump. If you aren’t stuck keeping it that way I would try to find out what is readily available and would work on the 60. I don’t have a clue what that would be but someone here on CT should be able to tell you. You could shoot jalapeño a PM and see if he could help you. Lamar

PS: I would be interested in knowing what happened inside the pump to allow the shaft to pull out of the pump



Edited by PLS on 06-23-19 07:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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06-23-19 04:49 PM - Post#2769082    
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Hey Lamar. Yeah l'll let you know once I get a chance to work on her again.



 
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06-24-19 07:03 AM - Post#2769121    
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  • lone star Said:
One year only? Looks like a typical pump and pulley and bracket setup



Yes, until you really look at all the different factory pumps and brackets. lol

The 1960 pump, as I stated, has the return nipple way up on the fill spout. No other year or application looks like that. AND...the casting is machined internally different to fit that reservoir, and that reservoir only.

The 1960 283 bracket set, a cradle and an adjuster, are small and a little flimsy. The following year (and for the next 4 model years) the brackets were considerably beefier and a whole lot different.

This story was related to me by Bob Webster at Webster Cold Forge (WCF) in Detroit: In 1960, Dolly Cole, wife of Chevrolet Division head Ed Cole, took her new convertible for a drive. On Woodward Ave the PS pump FELL OFF the engine and caused quite a bit of damage. WCF was tasked with devising a new bracket set, which were then installed on the 1961 models with 283 engines. If you look closely at the brackets you will see their marking "WCF". WCF made steel stamped parts for GM since the 1920s.

Jalapeno


Edited by Jalapeno on 06-28-19 06:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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06-25-19 01:13 PM - Post#2769240    
    In response to Jalapeno

Jalapeno,
It's little arcane tidbits like that that make life a little more interesting.
I had a 60 moredoor with a 283/pg. I don't remember anything about the power steering, at all. I know that it had one, but that is it.
Griff

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2007 GMC Sierra Classic 8.1
2009 Silverado
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06-28-19 04:08 PM - Post#2769464    
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Okay guys I finally got the pump out here it is

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06-28-19 06:19 PM - Post#2769477    
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Wow! That is CHEWED UP! Notice in the middle pic the splines are worn to nothing. So this is a toasted pump. AND...the worst news? the metal particles from this damage is coating the rest of the power steering system and embedded in the rubber of the hoses. So it's a total overhaul, prolly.

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06-28-19 06:38 PM - Post#2769478    
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  • beagrizzly Said:
I had a 60 moredoor with a 283/pg. I don't remember anything about the power steering, at all. I know that it had one, but that is it.Griff



LOL!

And, thanks for your kind words.




Jalapeno


 
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06-29-19 08:19 AM - Post#2769504    
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Can the hoses be cleaned or somehow salvaged? Do I need any other new items?
Thanks



 
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06-29-19 01:52 PM - Post#2769520    
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Usually not. The reason is that when the pump tears itself up like that, tiny metal particles become suspended in the fluid. When the hoses get hot they expand and become very porous. When they cool down the particles will stay trapped in the hose. There is no way to clean them out.

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06-29-19 02:06 PM - Post#2769522    
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Your are probably looking at a new steering sector, as well. No way to get that out of the bearings, races, etc.

Griff

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06-30-19 10:46 PM - Post#2769617    
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Oh snap! Gonna have to dip into kids college fund.



 
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07-01-19 09:12 AM - Post#2769634    
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  • beagrizzly Said:
Your are probably looking at a new steering sector, as well. No way to get that out of the bearings, races, etc.

Griff



Not on the factory power steering. No fluid goes into the manual gear, it's all in the linkage.



Jalapeno


 
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07-02-19 02:24 PM - Post#2769747    
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Jalapeno,
My bad.

I was actually thinking about the cylinder when I said sector.
Thank you for pointing out what could potentially have been a bad diagnosis because of my mis- labeling of the parts.

There's no way to get it out of the cylinder without dismantling the cylinder.

In case anybody doesn't know by now, you are THE authority on steering.

Griff

if you're gonna be a bear..................

1960 Biscayne (the 6T)
2005 Yukon XL
2007 GMC Sierra Classic 8.1
2009 Silverado
2011 Escalade ESV


 
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07-03-19 12:49 PM - Post#2769836    
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It's all good, thanks for the clarification.

Jalapeno


 
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