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Username Post: Steering Columns        (Topic#356843)
Swifster 
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06-16-19 10:48 AM - Post#2768568    

Other than the tilt wheel columns, is there any difference between 61 thru 64 steering columns? And has anyone made the conversion to electric power steering?

Tom

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pvs409 
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06-16-19 12:13 PM - Post#2768575    
    In response to Swifster

there are 3 other columns in 61 to 64 - 4 speed columns, Powerglide columns, and 3 speed columns -all very different from each other.
A tilt column in 63 and 64 can come as a PG or 4 speed column, not sure on a 3 speed.

Paul

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62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
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Swifster 
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06-16-19 12:21 PM - Post#2768577    
    In response to pvs409

That makes sense. I guess my question is are all the Power Glide steering columns the same?


Tom

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DonSSDD 
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06-16-19 02:20 PM - Post#2768586    
    In response to Swifster

Different guts, 61 & 62 I think are the same except maybe the location of the neutral safety switch? The signal light switch is attached to the column down on the column a ways. 63 and 64 are almost the same as each other, maybe different size hub on the steering wheels (64 bigger) and the signal light switch is inside the column at the top on both but the one for a 63 is a different part than the 64.

What are you trying to do or thinking of doing?

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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Andy4639 
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06-16-19 06:23 PM - Post#2768604    
    In response to Swifster

Here are 2 link's to my tilt column in my 64. I still have the standard column also with all the hardware and pieces for under the dash.

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...


https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...


1956 Bel Air - LT-1/4l60
1964 SS Impala -350 crate/powerglide
1967 Ramp truck - 350/ 4 speed
1971 C 10 - 6.0 LS / 4l80e 4:10 gears 30 years owner
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2008 LTZ Tahoe
2011 Treverse


 
Verne_Frantz 
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06-16-19 07:11 PM - Post#2768611    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
Different guts, 61 & 62 I think are the same except maybe the location of the neutral safety switch? The signal light switch is attached to the column down on the column a ways. 63 and 64 are almost the same as each other, maybe different size hub on the steering wheels (64 bigger) and the signal light switch is inside the column at the top on both but the one for a 63 is a different part than the 64.

What are you trying to do or thinking of doing?



The '64 hub is smaller than the '63.

Verne




 
Swifster 
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06-16-19 08:50 PM - Post#2768615    
    In response to DonSSDD

I'm thinking of cutting up a '63 column and installing electric power steering and getting rid of the hydraulic power steering completely. Power steering with no leaks and no worrying about taking up radiator space. The power units out of a Prius would slide in under the dash.

p.s., as much as I'd like factory tilt, I don't have the cojones to section one. If I was going to, I'd get an Ididit column.

Tom

1963 Chevrolet ?
$121.00


Edited by Swifster on 06-16-19 09:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
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06-17-19 03:21 AM - Post#2768620    
    In response to Swifster

No idea how electric power steering works but while adding Prius parts, maybe add the hybrid power too?

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lone star 
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06-17-19 03:28 AM - Post#2768621    
    In response to Swifster

You can have hydraulic assisted power steering without leaks. Dont put a prius steering setup in anything



 
Swifster 
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06-17-19 07:10 AM - Post#2768653    
    In response to lone star

Just about every new car has electric power steering. The Prius unit works as a stand alone unit. Many of the GM units need a secondary module to power the computer. 90% of these units are made by the same company, even if they are in a Toyota, a Chevy, etc. The benefits are...

1) Frees up horsepower (no pump to spin)
2) Cuts weight from the pump, hydraulics and hoses
3) No interference with the radiator in a conversion

I haven't made a decision yet, but I'll probably get a used column and do a little experimenting. I can get the EPS at a pick & pull lot. for under $200.




Tom

1963 Chevrolet ?
$121.00


Edited by Swifster on 06-17-19 07:12 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
55Brodie 
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06-17-19 09:03 AM - Post#2768672    
    In response to Swifster

I, too am interested IN EPAS for my 62 Impala, but pretty much nixed the idea due to lack of real estate under the dash or in the engine compartment. Mine is a 4 speed manual car.



 
threeimpalas 
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06-17-19 02:11 PM - Post#2768701    
    In response to Swifster

You should keep in mind the differences in weight, wheelbase, tire width, and steering system type when thinking about integrating an electric power steering unit from a vehicle such as a Prius into a 60's Chevrolet.

Mike
'58-62s and 348/409s


 
Swifster 
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06-17-19 08:29 PM - Post#2768726    
    In response to threeimpalas

3450 lbs - 1963 Impala Sport Sedan
3050 lbs - 2007 Prius
3400 lbs - 2018 Malibu
3867 lbs - 2018 Impala
3627 lbs - 2018 Camaro conv

Every one of these cars (other than the vintage Impala) use the same power steering motor. Some are mounted on the column and some are mounted on the rack. The system from EPAS uses the same motor. The ONLY reason to use the Toyota motor vs the GM motor is that the computer is a stand alone unit. The GM unit needs a bypass module that is available on Ebay.

If the system fails, it just reverts to manual steering. I would rather have this unit on the column. The motor can be 'clocked' to move the motor where you want it. Some things may need to be moved or modified. That I'm sure I can do.

The EPAS kit runs about $1500. I can get the Toyota unit at a pick & pull for $150-200.

I have committed to nothing. I ask questions to be better informed. The car will be a restomod. The engine will be a 5.3L with a 4L60E. I'm using the car for work. I'll probably put 30,000 miles a year on it.

Tom

1963 Chevrolet ?
$121.00


 
cowfarmer350 
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06-18-19 03:48 PM - Post#2768775    
    In response to Swifster

Another way of doing it, a few people over here are doing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy6oQPJJ2qY&a mp;feat...



 
Swifster 
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06-18-19 06:19 PM - Post#2768782    
    In response to cowfarmer350

This is the set up for electric power steering using a used Prius/Corolla steering motor. Unlike the OZ video, this has no hydraulics. To me, using a fluid pump defeats the purpose of using electricity. The Toyota and Nissan units have separate computer modules.

Again, I'm looking at doing a restomod, not a restoration. The system does require a 60 AMP circuit/fuse for when the steering wheel is at full lock. At center or just off center, the current draw is minimal.

This type of system means I can use a base Impala manual steering system. I don't have to replace the steering box. I don't need to use the control valve, the hoses or the ram. I don't need fluid, a reservoir or a pump. I don't have to use the 4-9 HP the pump takes from the engine. There is nothing to leak...ever. No bump steer issues. No trying to squeeze stuff to fit (except under the dash). No radiator modifications.

I thank you guys for the steering column info. I'm sure I can dig up a used Power Glide steering column and rebuild it with the motor.

Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4TYQ_KJSpc

Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cERfqzKfoAk

Part 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAE1D70MHgk&a mp;t=...

Part 4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGjRSHUj1g

Tom

1963 Chevrolet ?
$121.00


 
Original58 
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06-18-19 07:13 PM - Post#2768786    
    In response to Swifster

I say give it a whirl. The EPAS system has been used in the vintage mustangs for a couple years. It seems to work well and as you said it reverts to manual if there is an issue.
Its not original but it is hotrodding.

Jeff

1958 Biscayne 283 Turbo-Glide 31,000 mi (now 35,000 and counting) driven daily
1966 Mustang Inline 6- C4 57,000 mi and growing daily
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