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Username Post: Starter Question        (Topic#356840)
Bilbob 
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06-16-19 09:43 AM - Post#2768561    

60 Impala-- have the starter wired according to manual --Resistant wire to "R" and purple solenoid wire to "S". I have power to "R" when switch is in "ON". When I move to "Start" NOTHING! No voltage recorded at "S" and of course starter will not engage. I'll check the ING fuse for continuity. IF fuse is ok, does problem lie in the "start" mode of the ignition switch???? Thanks, Bill



 
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acardon 
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acardon
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06-16-19 10:51 AM - Post#2768569    
    In response to Bilbob

There is no ignition fuse.
The purple "sol" wire goes from the ignition switch through the neutral safety switch (if it's automatic) directly to the S terminal. Check the NS Switch for adjustment.

Don
66 Corvair (driving)
57 2dr HT (driving)
56 2dr HT (waiting to be restored)


 
Bilbob 
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06-16-19 11:27 AM - Post#2768571    
    In response to acardon

Will do!! This was (I think) an automatic car. I converted to a 3speed column shift with a correct replacement column and upon looking underneath I found a double wire violet connector that I had tucked up in the dash because I didn't have a connection for it on the shifter tube. Going to jump the two violet wires and see if that solves the problem. Thanks, Bill



 
Bilbob 
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06-16-19 12:29 PM - Post#2768579    
    In response to Bilbob

Don, jumped the two violet wires and installed the ignition switch tumbler. Turned the switch to crank AND it cranks!!! However, when I release the switch from the start position, the engine continues to crank! Can't stop it with the switch! Ran out and disconnected the battery and it stops. Touch the bat terminal to battery and it stars to crank even with the switch off! Bad switch?? Thanks, Bill



 
DonSSDD 
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06-16-19 02:13 PM - Post#2768585    
    In response to Bilbob

Stock starter or mini hi torque? Stock points?

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Bilbob 
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06-16-19 02:25 PM - Post#2768587    
    In response to DonSSDD

Rebuilt original 283 starter/solenoid and I suppose stock points with built in condenser (CARQUEST). Disconnected ignition switch, connected battery and all is normal--no continuous running of starter. Could I have fused the start circuit in the switch? When I tested the switch out of the car, I connected a continuity meter to the BAT terminal and the Solenoid terminal on the switch. Then turned the switch to "start" and got a connection. When I released the switch from the "Start" position the connection broke. I think this is normal. Thanks, Bill



 
acardon 
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06-16-19 07:38 PM - Post#2768612    
    In response to Bilbob

  • Quote:
Resistant wire to "R" and purple solenoid wire to "S".



The resistance wire from the firewall plug doesn't go to the "R" terminal, it goes to the coil. A dark green wire goes from the R terminal to the coil.
You should have only the purple wire on the S terminal.

Don
66 Corvair (driving)
57 2dr HT (driving)
56 2dr HT (waiting to be restored)


 
Bilbob 
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06-17-19 07:00 AM - Post#2768645    
    In response to acardon

Let me clarify the wires. Yes there is a green wire from the coil to the "R" terminal of the solenoid. The green wire is attached, with the resistance wire, on the coil.

Is it possible that the solenoid "sticks" in the start position? If I disconnect the battery terminal, wait a 30 seconds, the continuous starting problem goes away--UNTIL, I try the start cycle again and the problem reoccurs. I also rap the side of the solenoid--not sure if this unsticks the solenoid. Maybe it get warm, "swells" and sticks? Thanks, Bill



 
acardon 
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06-17-19 09:47 AM - Post#2768675    
    In response to Bilbob

Apparently the engine is not starting when you crank it? Yes, the solenoid could be sticking, if the gear mesh is too tight and the pinion is not releasing. When the engine starts it usually throws the pinion out of the ring gear.

Don
66 Corvair (driving)
57 2dr HT (driving)
56 2dr HT (waiting to be restored)


 
Bilbob 
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06-17-19 05:06 PM - Post#2768718    
    In response to Bilbob

No the engine has not run yet. I am purposely not trying to run the engine until I get the starter problem solved. I'm afraid I'll damage the ring gear teeth if the engine runs and the starter id engaged and running. I assume the tight mesh you refer to is between the starter gear and ring gear. How would you check this fit and then correct it? thanks, Bill



 
DonSSDD 
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06-18-19 02:17 PM - Post#2768763    
    In response to Bilbob

Bell housing have an inspection cover? Stock was a cast iron Bh with cover and the starter bolted to the Bh , very few problems with starter alignment with that setup.

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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Bilbob 
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06-20-19 08:05 AM - Post#2768883    
    In response to DonSSDD

Well, I verified the correct wiring connections and I replaced the solenoid. Local guru said IF the battery does not have sufficient amperage it will fuse the solenoid contacts and result in continuous cranking. Charged the battery over night and the dang thing worked perfectly!! After playing with timing, cranking the engine flawlessly, bulb checkout, etc I tried the started again and it stuck! Recharged battery over night and it worked fine this morning! NEVER in 55 years of working on GM have I had, or heard of, this problem! Does this seem logical? Thanks, Bill



 
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