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Username Post: What is this in engine compartment        (Topic#356069)
Eth727 
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04-18-19 04:09 PM - Post#2764500    

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59cheviac 
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04-20-19 04:01 AM - Post#2764623    
    In response to Eth727

Its the heater. Cylinder on right is the fan, and two pipes are the coolant in and out of the heater core. A hose runs from the motor to each pipe.



 
DonSSDD 
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04-20-19 05:31 AM - Post#2764627    
    In response to 59cheviac

There are 2 pipes on your engine, someone must have put a bypass hose to connect them together instead of connecting them to your heater. The heater core must leak I would guess. It can be removed and repaired by a good radiator repair shop, they would install a new core.

Your flick accounts is not allowing a link to post a pic here.
This is what my motor end of the hoses looks like on a V8 on my 59, your 60 would be the same.



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60Impala1837 
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04-20-19 06:55 AM - Post#2764633    
    In response to DonSSDD

I'm also guilty of bypassing the heater core. With my first pass through the car focused on making it roadworthy combined with living in Phoenix, the heater core was low on my list to mess with.

Nice to know a radiator shop can hopefully recore my original.


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Eth727 
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04-20-19 10:41 AM - Post#2764645    
    In response to 60Impala1837

My controls are only fan and def. I don't think mine came with a heater.



 
PLS 
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04-20-19 12:11 PM - Post#2764654    
    In response to Eth727

It may not have come with a heater but I would venture to say that what you have now is a Recirculating heater that someone added if in fact it didn’t come with a heater. Lamar

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Recirculating heater like what you show


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Deluxe heater




 
Eth727 
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04-20-19 02:06 PM - Post#2764659    
    In response to PLS

Oh wow. Thanks. I was bummed that I didn't have heater control. Can I just buy the panel and whatever parts to have a working heater?



 
59cheviac 
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04-20-19 02:15 PM - Post#2764661    
    In response to Eth727

That two lever control matches whats under the hood. You might not have to buy anything if the core will hold coolant.



 
PLS 
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04-20-19 02:36 PM - Post#2764665    
    In response to 59cheviac

I’m not sure what panel you are referring to. The picture that I have attached is what should be under your dash and if you have that, as 59cheviac said, you shouldn’t have to buy anything if the core is good. Your control should look similar to mine less the Heat & Air lever. You should have only one cable going to the unit under the dash, the fan lever is attached directly to a switch just behind it.

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This is looking through the glove box door opening, my door wasn't on.


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04-20-19 09:09 PM - Post#2764695    
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Eth727
Back in the day there were two heaters available, the "heater" and the "Deluxe heater".

You have the heater, which simply recirculated cabin air and has only the two control levers.

PLS' picture is of his Deluxe heater, which takes in outside air and has the four control levers.



 
Eth727 
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04-20-19 09:54 PM - Post#2764697    
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Oh wow I didn't know that. The owners guide only showed the deluxe heater. Any chances that my car has wifi or gps? LOL!



 
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04-21-19 06:40 AM - Post#2764714    
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  • Eth727 Said:
Any chances that my car has wifi or gps? LOL!



If you are sitting in it and have a cellphone.

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PLS 
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04-21-19 09:48 AM - Post#2764732    
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Actually, we have been fooling with you. The round thing that is in your picture is the Wifi generator and the two pipes are the GPS antenna. The picture that I have attached is my car phone. Happy Easter. Lamar

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Eth727 
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04-21-19 10:10 PM - Post#2764790    
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Happy Easter Lamar. Actually it's a CIA listening device that was used in Che Guevara's 60 Impala.



 
Eth727 
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04-30-19 11:13 AM - Post#2765386    
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Edited by Eth727 on 04-30-19 01:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Eth727 
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Eth727 
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04-30-19 04:37 PM - Post#2765412    
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It looks like I would have to put the stock intake manifold for the heater hoses. I don't see where to hook it up in this photo. Any suggestions?



 
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04-30-19 06:17 PM - Post#2765422    
    In response to Eth727

one fitting into the water pump. should be another plug on your intake

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Eth727 
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04-30-19 06:36 PM - Post#2765426    
    In response to busdriver

i don't see where to put the hoses on this intake? Where is t water pump. Sorry I came from an air cooled VW background.



Edited by Eth727 on 04-30-19 06:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PLS 
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04-30-19 07:08 PM - Post#2765428    
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Is there something behind the gismo that the fuel line connects to.? In the picture that I have attached the water pump is circled in yellow, the hose connection on the pump is circled in green and the hose connection on the intake manifold is circled in blue. This is my original intake manifold.


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59cheviac 
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05-01-19 11:51 AM - Post#2765478    
    In response to PLS

I have no idea what that contraption is between your fuel pump and the carb, but there probably is another pipe plug in the intake lurking behind it. The other connecting place on the water pump is clearly visible. It is that square headed plug with the teflon tape on it just above where the lower radiator hose connects to the pump. That needs to be pulled out and a fitting with pipe plug threads on one end and a hose connector on the other inserted in its place.
Is it possible your car has fuel injection and that is a fuel regulator on the front of the intake?



 
Eth727 
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05-01-19 01:28 PM - Post#2765484    
    In response to 59cheviac

Man I don't know. I bought this and it's been molested so many times. I Believe it's a aftermarket edelbrock carb. Also noticed my brake vacuum box is disconnected.



 
threeimpalas 
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05-01-19 02:15 PM - Post#2765487    
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  • 59cheviac Said:
I have no idea what that contraption is between your fuel pump and the carb...



It's an adjustable, low pressure fuel regulator.

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Eth727 
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05-01-19 03:25 PM - Post#2765492    
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japete92 
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05-01-19 04:42 PM - Post#2765495    
    In response to threeimpalas

  • threeimpalas Said:
  • 59cheviac Said:
I have no idea what that contraption is between your fuel pump and the carb...



It's an adjustable, low pressure fuel regulator.



Which is completely unnecessary if you have the GM (or equal replacement) fuel pump. The carb does not require it.

Pete




Edited by japete92 on 05-01-19 04:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
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05-02-19 01:19 PM - Post#2765564    
    In response to japete92

Pete, I’d disagree, if the car is running fine, leave it there. The pump may be putting out too much pressure, and that may mean a new fuel pump if you remove the regulator.

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05-02-19 04:54 PM - Post#2765582    
    In response to DonSSDD

  • DonSSDD Said:
Pete, I’d disagree, if the car is running fine, leave it there. The pump may be putting out too much pressure, and that may mean a new fuel pump if you remove the regulator.



The typical small block mechanical pump has a pressure range of a little over 5 psi to about 6.5 psi. That is within the range of the 1406 carb. No regulator is required.

Install an electric pump, capable of higher pressures, and a regulator is required to maintain the approx 5-6.5 psi to the carb.

If some one installed some sort of 'odd ball' mechanical pump that puts out too much pressure, the 'fix' (in my opinion) is to replace the pump with a proper unit. Adding superfluous stuff that complicates the system, and adds failure points, is not anything I would do.

Fuel pumps a not expensive nor difficult to install. Get it right. "Rube Goldberg' installations are not for me.

Pete

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Eth727 
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05-02-19 09:54 PM - Post#2765598    
    In response to japete92

Yeah it seems to run fine but what do I know. I'm new to this type of car. I do want to make this as stock and possible and have everything work including the heater system because living in San Diego can be freezing at times.



 
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05-03-19 07:03 AM - Post#2765610    
    In response to Eth727

  • Eth727 Said:
Yeah it seems to run fine but what do I know. I'm new to this type of car. I do want to make this as stock and possible and have everything work including the heater system because living in San Diego can be freezing at times.



Attached is a pic of a small block crate engine that has the 1405 carb (1406 has the electric choke) and an Edelbrock manifold. The plug for the heater connection is right by the fuel line filter, in between the fuel line and the valve cover. A nipple goes there for the heater hose. The other hose connects to a nipple on the water pump.

Recommend you acquire the shop manual and the assembly manual for your car. Those docs are great sources of info on how GM built the car.

You have quite a 'Frankenstein' engine configuration .

Where does the vacuum line from the pcv connection on the carb (the center one) go? It looks like it disappears below the block some where.

The filler cap on the valve cover is typical of later configurations that have a pcv valve on the other side.

Good luck with getting your car where you want it.

Pete



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Eth727 
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05-03-19 10:12 PM - Post#2765680    
    In response to japete92

Yeah I have both manuals and I'm going through it to see what's missing and what isn't stock. This poor car really had some dip poopsworking on it. i'll take more pics to show all the other crap.



 
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