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Username Post: 700R4 frayed cable        (Topic#356008)
gchemist 
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04-14-19 08:12 AM - Post#2764203    

Well, it finally happened. A stock TV setup with a stop cylinder finally frayed the cable. The long end is stuck inside the sleeve. Basically, it unwound itself. It won't pull out any more. It's time to replace the stock TV cable.

Which company makes the best cable? My ZZ4 set up is an RPM Air Gap using an Edelbrock carb. The bracket is modified for height alignment. It bolted down by the rear two left intake bolts. I'll look for pics or take some later.

Does anyone have 700R4 TV aftermarket cable pictures?

Does the pan have to come off to replace the trans hookup? How long is the cable? I don't need another cheap stock replacement. It's an expensive heavily modified 700R4. It needs a cable to give WOT and control TV functions properly. It can barely get of out first gear with such low throttle pull.

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04-14-19 08:24 AM - Post#2764204    
    In response to gchemist

I haven't had any problems with TCI cables.
No, you don't have to remove the pan. The connection pulls out of the transmission enough to hook the cable to the link.
Link to cable.

Don
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04-14-19 09:28 AM - Post#2764205    
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acardon,
The current cable is just like that one. The end cable stop barrel frayed the wire over time. The screw is too sharp.

Great. I don't need to change the oil filter anyway. It has less than 10,000 miles on it. Due to a small leak when parked for long periods of time, fresh oil has been added over the years.

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Frayed 700R4 cable with barrel stop.


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'95 Jimmy SLT (Bought @131,814)
'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


Edited by gchemist on 04-14-19 02:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TAT_2 
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04-14-19 05:03 PM - Post#2764221    
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YA MIGHT FIND A CLAMP TYPE,INSTEAD OF THE SCREW SET TYPE.

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paulo57509 
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04-14-19 05:49 PM - Post#2764225    
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  • gchemist Said:
Well, it finally happened. A stock TV setup with a stop cylinder finally frayed the cable. The long end is stuck inside the sleeve. Basically, it unwound itself. It won't pull out any more. It's time to replace the stock TV cable.

Which company makes the best cable? My ZZ4 set up is an RPM Air Gap using an Edelbrock carb. The bracket is modified for height alignment. It bolted down by the rear two left intake bolts. I'll look for pics or take some later.

Does anyone have 700R4 TV aftermarket cable pictures?

Does the pan have to come off to replace the trans hookup? How long is the cable? I don't need another cheap stock replacement. It's an expensive heavily modified 700R4. It needs a cable to give WOT and control TV functions properly. It can barely get of out first gear with such low throttle pull.



FWIW, there's typically a lot of TV cable discussions on thirdgen-dot-org (https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/transmissions- drivetrain/). Just a sample....

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/transmissions- driv...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/transmissions- driv...

It is not necessary to drop the pan in order to remove the TV cable from the transmission.

I'd avoid driving it without TV cable control.

You can use the following as a guide:







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gchemist 
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04-15-19 04:04 AM - Post#2764247    
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Hey TAT_2,
I had to dig to find a link or part number to that wire clamp. Interesting. European.
They come in different clamping sizes. I'll have to get digital calipers to measure the wire size.
https://www.s3i.co.uk/heavy-duty-wire-rope-r ing-cl...

paulo5709
BADBOW is parked until the cable is replaced. I may try to unbind the cable to drive it to a friends house. It's only a short distance. We may just tow it there. Thanks for all the info. I can use another aftermarket adjustable cable. Using a better cable end clamp will solve the problem from happening again. Thanks for posting pics and links!

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04-15-19 01:02 PM - Post#2764282    
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Mine came from Bowtie Overdrives, but Lokar makes a good cable. A lot of street rod guys use Lokar products.

Lynn

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TAT_2 
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04-15-19 04:08 PM - Post#2764294    
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FOUND THIS COMPRESSION TYPE ALSO.
https://www.griplocksystems.com/product/30-3816e-v...


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04-15-19 06:28 PM - Post#2764302    
    In response to TAT_2

Use an OEM type cable instead of that cobbled up universal stuff. Get the right cable bracket or modify a cable bracket to get it in the right place fore/aft for the OEM type cable. The cable bracket location does not have to be precision, that's what the adjustment is for.



 
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04-16-19 09:12 AM - Post#2764335    
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Rick_L,
I tried a few brackets. Most of them would bend or be too short for a stock cable. A truck 700R4 cable is too short. paulo5709's link has great info. I might be able to use a different 700R4 cable. I need to measure the cable length from bracket to carb. One of the stock cables listed may work. The carb connection does have to be long from it's location, rear two intake bolts.

A: Cable end = 6" = UNKNOWN, V8? Carb?
B: Cable end = 5 3/4" = Crossfire
C: Cable end = 7 3/4" = TBI
D: Cable end = 6 1/2" = TPI
E: Cable end = 5" = V6 ( MPFI ? )


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Carb cables with cruise control option.


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69_BOWTIE 
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04-18-19 07:32 AM - Post#2764464    
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Funny you should ask ,I just fineshed my 700r4 and am going through this cable fiasco now. I pulled trans and trashed my original cable it got hung up and screwed the end up. Any way I got one of the universal ones like yours but the cable housing is to long for my liking to many curves to the trans ,having a hell of a time finding one that is around the 35" the one I have now is a 39.5 ".I used a Bowtie Overdrive on my 69 C-10 and that is a great setup, but it is now over $200 I cringed at $150 6 yrs. ago.


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04-18-19 04:43 PM - Post#2764505    
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Use a cable from a mid '80 F body TPI. They are about 8 inches longer, due to having to reach the throttle body on TPI's.
ATP used to make a great one, we used these back then when replacing junk yard 305's & 350's. The yard always cuts them..???

Anyway the attachment & adjustment will be like the original.

Sam



 
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04-21-19 05:36 AM - Post#2764710    
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Texasray,
Do you have a GM part number for a TPI cable?
I found these numbers: ATP Y363 {#10079744, 14091865, 25521263
~61" in length. Looks very promising!

I ordered clamps for wire cables from 2.5-5 mm. The three smallest size clamps were ordered. The 2.5 mm clamps look promising to work better on generic TV length cables. The flat clamp will not fray a wire rope cable like a cylinder set screw.

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Cable wire clamps.


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'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


 
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04-21-19 07:50 AM - Post#2764718    
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Lots of good info here. I have a 700R4 slated for install behind a F*** small block with Edelbrock carb. Will need to make bracket, etc to install on that manifold.



 
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04-21-19 09:33 AM - Post#2764731    
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Algoma56,
The best bracket I found that will not bend/flex for a TV cable is an Edelbrock Throttle Cable Brackets 8036. I had mine cut and extended height wise to align with an RPM Air Gap intake. It bolts to the rear left intake bolts. If you plan to make your own, start with the 8036.

A nice option is a carb adapter if you need one.
http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/catalog/catalog_in...



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'95 Jimmy SLT (Bought @131,814)
'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


Edited by gchemist on 04-21-19 09:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-23-19 05:30 PM - Post#2764886    
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Sorry for the late response. Just tried to look it up on the ATP website and all I found was the same cable fit all G,H,F & 8. Plus the throttle side was to be clamped on... NO! G & H are carb 305 engines. F is a 305 TPI & 8 is a 350 TPI which use the same cable. That's the one you need. It will have a casing that is 6 inches longer than the carb model.
Not sure when they changed their design, maybe they are made overseas cheaper, not sure have not been in the auto business since 2008.
I checked Rick's Camaro and they show a F & 8 only TV cable original design. Rick's #33-146664-1 shows the original # was 10163879, not sure this is right but my suggestion is call Rick's, get the skinny on the cable they are offering.

You can PM me if you are still having a problem and I can make some contacts with a couple of people still at a GM dealer. But I doubt GM is still offering it but they may be of help.

You know, what I have a 350 TPI out in the garage, haven't looked in that box in several years. I wonder if it's got a cable on it. I will check tomorrow.

Sam





 
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04-25-19 04:37 PM - Post#2765032    
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https://www.google.com/search?q=CORVETTE+TPI +PICS&...

THE TV CABLE IS IN THE CENTER/THE CINCH ADJ ON THE BOTTOM
I SOLVED THE PROBLEM BY GETTING A 6 SPD-C4
NO OCTOPUS INTAKE ALSO.

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gchemist 
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04-28-19 09:15 AM - Post#2765193    
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Texasray,
Thanks for the info. Based on TPI pics, I ordered one. It will be here on Mon. I'll measure the carb/bracket distance to compare. A TPI cable looks like the best option. Ordered #ATP Y363.

TAT_2
A video from your link offers the best view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLnO82xEFck
The cable distance is similar.

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'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


 
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05-02-19 05:00 AM - Post#2765526    
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Update: Well, the ATP Y363 cable is a disappointment. The cable end length is long enough. The cable has an adjustable barrel screw on the end. It won't work. The same thing will happen over time. It would work if I had a crimper and stop end to put on it. I don't feel like buying a setup for one cable. Does anyone have a crimper I can borrow?
The bracket to throttle stud length is ~ 5 3/8".

Back to square one. The best option is to measure a TPI set up. Plus find an original TPI set up with a crimped end. I managed to unbind the cable. It works enough to drive it to my friend's house for repairs.

Repairs: install a heater core bypass valve, A/C pusher auxiliary fan, header collector gasket and bolts, and new window tint.

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ATP Y363 - adjustable end set screw


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TV bracket to throttle cable stud ~5 3/8"


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'95 Jimmy SLT (Bought @131,814)
'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


 
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05-06-19 10:19 AM - Post#2765822    
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Why not just solder the end of the cable so it won't fray?



 
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05-07-19 06:26 AM - Post#2765873    
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Interesting. I didn't know about soldering long pieces of rope wire. Short pieces but not a full length cable. Possible but still need to crimp a stop end. May soldering would work at the screw barrel end if needed. I'm not going to use a barrel stop. If I have to use a universal cable, I'm using the small clamps I posted earlier.

I'm waiting for TPI measurements from Texasray. If the cable is close enough, it should work on my truck set up. A few GM original cables are available.

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05-07-19 07:12 AM - Post#2765876    
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Did your cable just fray from normal use or did you adj. several times ? I just put one of them fits all cables on my car and it works great. I did comb the junk yard and found a couple of cables 1 from 99 K1500 and 1 from a 2000 vandura both 350 TBI the van was a tad longer got it to work but cringed on a used cable so I got the fits all

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05-08-19 04:01 AM - Post#2765923    
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The cable frayed from "normal" use. Normal = drive it like I stole it.
WOT is common. So are burn outs.
The cable pulling stress at the barrel end eventually cut a single strand of wire causing all the problems.

Texasray is helping with a possible TPI cable solution. The bracket edge to center mounting stud is ~5 3/8". The TV adjustment is ~1". If the sliding cable barrel is centered (locked), it needs ~1/2" either way to make WOT adjustments. Or enough adjustment so it pulls back on its own to WOT.

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'95 Jimmy SLT (Bought @131,814)
'96 GMC Jimmy LS Ret. @236651 miles


 
69_BOWTIE 
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05-08-19 06:11 PM - Post#2765972    
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I run a Bowtie Overdrive on my 69 and they are a nice setup but man they got pricey. And I went for the all fit on my 63 guess we will see it just a cruiser for now

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Attachment: cablelink3__2_.jpg (59.28 KB) 4 View(s)


Trying to find this measurement from a TBI set up. Especially a truck. A TBI car might have the same setup if the bracket is bolted on the intake at the same place. A picture and rough measurement will do.


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gchemist 
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06-09-19 06:29 AM - Post#2768015    
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Update: thanks to rittercon and Texasray for TBI information. rittercon has provided a TBI pic with measurements. Texasray provided cable information between TPI and TBI. From information, the TBI TV 700R4 cable will work. The crimped end will do away with an adjustable cable barrel end. For now, I have a temporary cable fix. I'm ordering a factory TBI cable as a permanent replacement/fix for fraying cables. It's great to have WOT throttle again. Not so good for a fresh set of tires.

Attachment: InkedTBIcable_LI.jpg (60.45 KB) 6 View(s)


Photo credit: rittercon


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