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Username Post: best quality patch panels?        (Topic#355094)
sixty5short 
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02-04-19 09:48 AM - Post#2758979    

Hello all... I am in the process of straightening out some really bad bodywork that was done to my '60 in its prior life. Working on the passenger quarter panel. I'm planning to buy the lower patch panel that has the wheel opening lip, it runs all the way to the rear bumper.

Where's the best place to buy or does it matter? It used to be there were USA-made panels and overseas-made panels covered in e-coat. Are they all made in the same plant, or are there some panels better than others?

- "sixty5short"

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60Impala1837 
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02-04-19 02:13 PM - Post#2759008    
    In response to sixty5short

Hi,
I picked up the passenger side quarter sold by Classic Industries (part#: B11096).
It says "Made in the USA" in the description and I don't see any e-coat on it.
I have not cut my quarter or tried to fit the patch panel yet so I cannot speak to the overall fit but the panel seems solid 18g and the lines are better than my current combination Fiberglass+Newpaper+1/4"B ondo.
It includes most of the wheel opening section but not all and measures approximately 15" x 66".
I'm debating whether to buy the patch panel that extends to the door jam.
I'm debating whether to cut just above the raised body line or higher to try to use the entire patch panel.



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Jim
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ARTEMIS1759 
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02-04-19 04:57 PM - Post#2759031    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Ah yes. Good ok bad bodywork. I hot 2 doors on my 58 that had 1/4 of bondo from about the center down. Well, curious me wanted to know what they covered? They had pulled huge dents out of both doors with slidehammers. They could have floated out what was left with hammer and dolly but decided loading them with a 1/4" "skim" coat was better. On the plus side, no need to replace the doors like I first thought.

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sixty5short 
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02-05-19 02:09 AM - Post#2759058    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Many thanks Jim, that's just what I needed. Pictures and everything! I'll probably order the same as what you have ordered.

As far as where to cut for a patch, there is always some careful consideration- usually you try to keep as much original metal as possible, but there are other things to think about for sure. If you have a choice that allows for hammer on dolly, or that will prevent you having to create a body line, it might be worth sacrificing extra metal. That's the way I look at it, any way.

- "sixty5short"

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sixty5short 
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02-05-19 02:11 AM - Post#2759059    
    In response to sixty5short

Artemis, I know what you mean- my '60 has been an adventure of discovery. Someone had installed both patches that are available for the quarters on these cars, straight over the top of the existing rusty quarter. sigh...

- "sixty5short"

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'60 Impala 2 dr
'57 210 2dr Sedan


 
beagrizzly 
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02-05-19 06:52 AM - Post#2759073    
    In response to sixty5short

I got the same panel from Rock Auto. Then I got the panel that goes to the front portion that goes to the door.
The way they build these panels is to stamp them out to fit OVER the original panels. I had to cut the front of the new panel off, and build a new piece to fill the gap to the door sill.

I guess they filled an original panel with cement to actually use it as a die.
That makes the panels lines softer than original, and also actually too big for a direct fit.

That goes for the panel you have as well. Either the wheel opening lip, or the curve above the rocket will not line up with the original. Some cutting will have to be done to make it line up. I cut mine just below the line in the center of the rocket. That is the only way I could fit it to the original dimensions. Either it put the bulge too high, or the bottom edge too low.

I had some additional problems, as the fender had been replaced 45 years ago. They brazed it in with brass, and ground it down so thin that I could not weld the new panel in. I had to find an original upper fin piece to patch in. It's coming out ok, but you are looking at a lot of fitment issues.

Griff

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the overlap on the front


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note how far down the wheel well opening is with the new panel when the top is lined up.


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the problem I had from previous body work


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60Impala1837 
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02-05-19 05:23 PM - Post#2759148    
    In response to beagrizzly

sixty5short, apologies if this looks like i'm hijaking your thread, but I'm thinking Griff's words of wisdom may help us both. After I bought the quarter and took the pictures above, worrying about how to deal with the fit issues Griff describes is exactly why I went back to focus on my trunk floor for a while.

So, here's my question. If the replacement panel is oversized, I want to keep original metal where I can, and my rust issues are limited to the lower quarter & wheel well lip which of these cut options should I focus on?




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Option1: Cut just above the wheel opening lip


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Option2: Cut right below the center line of the bulge


Jim
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'68 Caprice (donor)
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60Impala1837 
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02-05-19 05:24 PM - Post#2759149    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Option3: Cut above the buldge, use the full quarter panel AND buy the panel that extend to the door jam to match the oversized panel and also deal with recreating Impala trim holes.

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'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
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'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
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ragtp66 
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02-05-19 06:59 PM - Post#2759154    
    In response to 60Impala1837

I think I would stay below that body line if it is nice and not damaged, if possible keep your cut line behind your ss trim or let it be in the area between the two trim pieces. If you don't get it perfect it would be less noticeable in that "valley" between the ss trim. Don't throw away your old pieces of quarter so you have some templates of where your trim mounting holes go.

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sixty5short 
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02-06-19 03:29 AM - Post#2759185    
    In response to beagrizzly

Well dang it! Who knew these panels were designed to go over the existing panel? Not me, that's who!

The whole reason I cut into mine was to remove the exact patch panels we are talking about, remove the underlying panels, and put it back "right".

On mine, putting the replacement panel over the existing metal made the quarter stick out past the rocker by 3/8" or so:


Funny, I also found the brass brazing material in the same spot you did.


- "sixty5short"

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'57 210 2dr Sedan


 
beagrizzly 
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02-06-19 12:53 PM - Post#2759213    
    In response to sixty5short

Sorry, guys. I was only trying to help. HAHAHA.

Seriously, I guess it's better than nothing. New sheet metal is better than bondo, right. Even if it takes a lot of cutting, welding, and grinding.

I found a guy in Chatou, Oklahoma that deals in 60 Chevy only. That is actually the name on his card. "Strictly 60s". I have bought several pieces from him, and everything that i have bought is top notch. He'll cut whatever you need if he has it.

PM me, and I will send you his name and phone number.

Griff

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Jim Anselmo 
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02-08-19 02:54 PM - Post#2759414    
    In response to beagrizzly

I've never heard that the panels are meant to go over the existing panels. I would think that would cause all kinds of fit issues.

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beagrizzly 
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02-13-19 07:58 AM - Post#2759811    
    In response to Jim Anselmo

I don't know if they were meant to go over the old panels, but they will.

Yes, there are a LOT of fitment issues. It appears that everybody on this thread has the same thing to deal with, so you are correct.

Griff

if you're gonna be a bear..................

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