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Username Post: best quality patch panels?        (Topic#355094)
sixty5short 
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02-04-19 10:48 AM - Post#2758979    

Hello all... I am in the process of straightening out some really bad bodywork that was done to my '60 in its prior life. Working on the passenger quarter panel. I'm planning to buy the lower patch panel that has the wheel opening lip, it runs all the way to the rear bumper.

Where's the best place to buy or does it matter? It used to be there were USA-made panels and overseas-made panels covered in e-coat. Are they all made in the same plant, or are there some panels better than others?

- "sixty5short"

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60Impala1837 
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02-04-19 03:13 PM - Post#2759008    
    In response to sixty5short

Hi,
I picked up the passenger side quarter sold by Classic Industries (part#: B11096).
It says "Made in the USA" in the description and I don't see any e-coat on it.
I have not cut my quarter or tried to fit the patch panel yet so I cannot speak to the overall fit but the panel seems solid 18g and the lines are better than my current combination Fiberglass+Newpaper+1/4"B ondo.
It includes most of the wheel opening section but not all and measures approximately 15" x 66".
I'm debating whether to buy the patch panel that extends to the door jam.
I'm debating whether to cut just above the raised body line or higher to try to use the entire patch panel.



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Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
Former:
'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
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ARTEMIS1759 
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02-04-19 05:57 PM - Post#2759031    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Ah yes. Good ok bad bodywork. I hot 2 doors on my 58 that had 1/4 of bondo from about the center down. Well, curious me wanted to know what they covered? They had pulled huge dents out of both doors with slidehammers. They could have floated out what was left with hammer and dolly but decided loading them with a 1/4" "skim" coat was better. On the plus side, no need to replace the doors like I first thought.

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sixty5short 
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02-05-19 03:09 AM - Post#2759058    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Many thanks Jim, that's just what I needed. Pictures and everything! I'll probably order the same as what you have ordered.

As far as where to cut for a patch, there is always some careful consideration- usually you try to keep as much original metal as possible, but there are other things to think about for sure. If you have a choice that allows for hammer on dolly, or that will prevent you having to create a body line, it might be worth sacrificing extra metal. That's the way I look at it, any way.

- "sixty5short"

'65 C10 Shortbed Fleetside
'60 Impala 2 dr
'57 210 2dr Sedan


 
sixty5short 
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02-05-19 03:11 AM - Post#2759059    
    In response to sixty5short

Artemis, I know what you mean- my '60 has been an adventure of discovery. Someone had installed both patches that are available for the quarters on these cars, straight over the top of the existing rusty quarter. sigh...

- "sixty5short"

'65 C10 Shortbed Fleetside
'60 Impala 2 dr
'57 210 2dr Sedan


 
beagrizzly 
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02-05-19 07:52 AM - Post#2759073    
    In response to sixty5short

I got the same panel from Rock Auto. Then I got the panel that goes to the front portion that goes to the door.
The way they build these panels is to stamp them out to fit OVER the original panels. I had to cut the front of the new panel off, and build a new piece to fill the gap to the door sill.

I guess they filled an original panel with cement to actually use it as a die.
That makes the panels lines softer than original, and also actually too big for a direct fit.

That goes for the panel you have as well. Either the wheel opening lip, or the curve above the rocket will not line up with the original. Some cutting will have to be done to make it line up. I cut mine just below the line in the center of the rocket. That is the only way I could fit it to the original dimensions. Either it put the bulge too high, or the bottom edge too low.

I had some additional problems, as the fender had been replaced 45 years ago. They brazed it in with brass, and ground it down so thin that I could not weld the new panel in. I had to find an original upper fin piece to patch in. It's coming out ok, but you are looking at a lot of fitment issues.

Griff

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the overlap on the front


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note how far down the wheel well opening is with the new panel when the top is lined up.


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the problem I had from previous body work


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60Impala1837 
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02-05-19 06:23 PM - Post#2759148    
    In response to beagrizzly

sixty5short, apologies if this looks like i'm hijaking your thread, but I'm thinking Griff's words of wisdom may help us both. After I bought the quarter and took the pictures above, worrying about how to deal with the fit issues Griff describes is exactly why I went back to focus on my trunk floor for a while.

So, here's my question. If the replacement panel is oversized, I want to keep original metal where I can, and my rust issues are limited to the lower quarter & wheel well lip which of these cut options should I focus on?




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Option1: Cut just above the wheel opening lip


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Option2: Cut right below the center line of the bulge


Jim
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'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
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60Impala1837 
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02-05-19 06:24 PM - Post#2759149    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Option3: Cut above the buldge, use the full quarter panel AND buy the panel that extend to the door jam to match the oversized panel and also deal with recreating Impala trim holes.

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Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
Former:
'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
My Pictures


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ragtp66 
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02-05-19 07:59 PM - Post#2759154    
    In response to 60Impala1837

I think I would stay below that body line if it is nice and not damaged, if possible keep your cut line behind your ss trim or let it be in the area between the two trim pieces. If you don't get it perfect it would be less noticeable in that "valley" between the ss trim. Don't throw away your old pieces of quarter so you have some templates of where your trim mounting holes go.

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sixty5short 
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02-06-19 04:29 AM - Post#2759185    
    In response to beagrizzly

Well dang it! Who knew these panels were designed to go over the existing panel? Not me, that's who!

The whole reason I cut into mine was to remove the exact patch panels we are talking about, remove the underlying panels, and put it back "right".

On mine, putting the replacement panel over the existing metal made the quarter stick out past the rocker by 3/8" or so:


Funny, I also found the brass brazing material in the same spot you did.


- "sixty5short"

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'57 210 2dr Sedan


 
beagrizzly 
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02-06-19 01:53 PM - Post#2759213    
    In response to sixty5short

Sorry, guys. I was only trying to help. HAHAHA.

Seriously, I guess it's better than nothing. New sheet metal is better than bondo, right. Even if it takes a lot of cutting, welding, and grinding.

I found a guy in Chatou, Oklahoma that deals in 60 Chevy only. That is actually the name on his card. "Strictly 60s". I have bought several pieces from him, and everything that i have bought is top notch. He'll cut whatever you need if he has it.

PM me, and I will send you his name and phone number.

Griff

if you're gonna be a bear..................

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2005 Yukon XL
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Jim Anselmo 
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02-08-19 03:54 PM - Post#2759414    
    In response to beagrizzly

I've never heard that the panels are meant to go over the existing panels. I would think that would cause all kinds of fit issues.

Jim
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beagrizzly 
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02-13-19 08:58 AM - Post#2759811    
    In response to Jim Anselmo

I don't know if they were meant to go over the old panels, but they will.

Yes, there are a LOT of fitment issues. It appears that everybody on this thread has the same thing to deal with, so you are correct.

Griff

if you're gonna be a bear..................

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hosscartright 
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05-09-19 05:08 AM - Post#2766006    
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  • 60Impala1837 Said:
sixty5short, apologies if this looks like i'm hijaking your thread, but I'm thinking Griff's words of wisdom may help us both. After I bought the quarter and took the pictures above, worrying about how to deal with the fit issues Griff describes is exactly why I went back to focus on my trunk floor for a while.

So, here's my question. If the replacement panel is oversized, I want to keep original metal where I can, and my rust issues are limited to the lower quarter & wheel well lip which of these cut options should I focus on?






I vote option 1
I have used these panels from this company since the 1970s. I always attributed the gradual degradation of the stampings as due to die deterioration.
The worst ones I had experienced were in the 1980s for the Camaros 1967/68 rear quarters. uggg. horrible. (But this was before the high-quality reproduction Camaro sheet metal made nowadays.)
When I did my '59 Impala, I put the left lower rear quarter in and used as little as possible. And it took some fabricating at the rear to make it fit right with the under-bumper valance panel. It is nice that they still make this stuff and that it is heavy gauge as this keeps warping to a minimum and helps with your hammer and dolly work that is inevitable in most cases.
(my two cents worth)

Check it out. my car was "original paint"












 
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05-09-19 10:14 PM - Post#2766073    
    In response to hosscartright

I bought a rear quarter patch panel last year for my sport coupe. From an outfit on the east coast. It was so far off it couldn't be used! When it was stamped out the die was definitely worn out. Ended up buying and removing another decent quarter panel off an old parts car that was a perfect fit. I have a drivers side rear quarter patch for free if anyone wants it!



 
60Impala1837 
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05-10-19 04:20 PM - Post#2766135    
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hosscartright

Thanks for the vote. We think alike. I've been focused on the trunk floor, so i have not cut into quarters yet. But i think i'm gonna lean toward leaving as much original metal as possible and using a little of the repop panel as possible.

On the drivers side, i have issues higher up in the quarter, so i might have to see if i can find an original donor quarter.... we'll see.

Jim

Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
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'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
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60Impala1837 
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05-10-19 04:31 PM - Post#2766136    
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Rance,

Thanks for the offer but i might be facing the same problem you found. I am hoping i can use the lower part of the repop panel and wheel well lip with a little massaging but if i had not already bought it i probably should have just broken down and looked for original donor metal.

Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
Former:
'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
My Pictures


 
Rance 
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05-11-19 10:14 PM - Post#2766207    
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I had this crack


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Bought this patch panel and couldn't use it


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Had to buy a panel off this thing


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Worked perfectly




 
60Impala1837 
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05-14-19 09:28 AM - Post#2766373    
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Rance,

Thanks for all the pictures. Looks like you did a fantastic job on the metal repairs. I hope i can end up with a quality repair like that.

If you don't mind a few more questions, it would help me to know if your repop panel was from the same source as mine ... the placement of the label looks the same but can you confirm its from "Schott Metal Products - Akron,Oh - RFP-52-R" ?

If attempting to use the entire panel won't work without major problems you and BearGrizzly have shown us, what would you say to someone who is considering trying to just use the bottom 8" and 2" over the wheel well lip?



Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
Former:
'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
My Pictures


 
Rance 
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05-15-19 09:25 AM - Post#2766457    
    In response to 60Impala1837

My car is in Nevada and have a friend who is a body and paint guy working on the car (I'm in Alaska). I'd have to dig around to find the receipt or have my buddy give me the info off the label. I must have made a dozen calls all over the US trying to find a panel. Most suppliers told me they had numerous complaints about the panels being so out of whack they couldn't be used that they quit ordering them. I took a gamble buying this one and lost!

My car had been in a previous accident and someone had done a pretty sad job of repairs, thus the big crack in my panel. I think the lower portion of the one I bought would work fine for what you described. I needed more of the upper section too. If you want the panel and pay for shipping, I'll give it to you for free. I'll just have my buddy send it to you from Nevada if you want.

In fact, I'm planning a trip down to my house in Casa Grande around the 21st of this month. If you are in Phoenix, I'm going to try and get up to see the car and can bring it back down with me. Could make arrangements to meet up and give it to you that way if you can wait that long!



Edited by Rance on 05-15-19 09:34 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
60Impala1837 
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05-15-19 10:31 AM - Post#2766461    
    In response to Rance

Rance,
That's an offer I can't refuse. I may be able to use pieces. I'm in no hurry, still working on trunk floor repairs.

Depending on your route north, you may be driving right by my house. I'll send you a PM.

Jim



Jim
'60 Impala Sport Coupe, 283/pg
Former:
'65 BelAir (355 / 350 hp)
'68 Caprice (donor)
My Pictures


 
Rance 
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05-15-19 09:08 PM - Post#2766508    
    In response to 60Impala1837

Looks like they came from the same place!


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