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Username Post: Bendix Brakes        (Topic#355061)
Keith_Knox 
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02-02-19 11:42 AM - Post#2758824    

Has anyone used the Bendix brake parts from a 51-54 car on their 42-46 1/2 ton pickup? As near as I can tell the parts are the same on a car and truck for 51-54, except for the drum.

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Keroppi 
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02-02-19 08:25 PM - Post#2758865    
    In response to Keith_Knox

  • Keith_Knox Said:
Has anyone used the Bendix brake parts from a 51-54 car on their 42-46 1/2 ton pickup? As near as I can tell the parts are the same on a car and truck for 51-54, except for the drum.


Keith,

One of the better explanations I've read is this one:

https://www.chevytrucks.org/huck-to-bendix-brake- c...

What is not clear to me is about the 6 lug vs 5 lug hubs. I'm not sure if I will need to get a set of different hubs or not, as I believe my hubs and drums are one piece. OTOH, maybe my drums will work on the Bendix plates, that I don't know.

The rear is quite a different story as the plates don't mount the same way.

It's not clear to me if there are differences between passenger and truck, in '46 the passenger and 1/2 ton pickup brakes were the same. I don't think that was true after '47. Maybe someone else can answer that question.

One of the advantages of Bendix brakes is the parts are more readily available even to this day. In the above linked article it just says:

  • Linked Article Said:
Some of the attaching hardware may also need replacement. These parts can be procured from local parts stores as required.



My understanding is that most auto parts stores can order Bendix era parts. On the Hucks you can use the same cylinders on both sides, but on the Bendix the cylinders are l-r designated in how the lines connect and they don't work on both sides.

The advantage is that the drum pushes out into the drum more concentric as the Hucks pivot on a pin.

One disadvantage of this also is that you need to drill out the steering arm so the lower bolts will fit, so if one wanted to go back to the Hucks for whatever reason, they would need another set of vintage steering arms or add a bushing.

That's about the extent of what I know. It's not clear if the fronts can be used with Bendix and the rears with Hucks? That was my plan, but I don't know if that will work. If the rears need to be upgraded to Bendix also, that might not be as easy. Maybe someone here knows the answer to that question.

Alan
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Keith_Knox 
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02-02-19 10:12 PM - Post#2758872    
    In response to Keroppi

Guys have kept thier huck brakes on the rear. To get the 6 lugs on the front, you will need to get 51-64 drums.

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Keroppi 
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02-03-19 01:19 AM - Post#2758874    
    In response to Keith_Knox

  • Keith_Knox Said:
Guys have kept thier huck brakes on the rear. To get the 6 lugs on the front, you will need to get 51-64 drums.


This is the part I don't completely understand. I've looked at the drums on the web, most of the drums look like they take 5 lug. Some looked like they were 5 or 6 depending on how the studs were put in...when I search for 6 lug hubs I don't find any for '51-'59.

Alan
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Mick53 
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02-03-19 09:10 PM - Post#2758933    
    In response to Keroppi

I have some 53 1/2 ton spindles, hubs and drums in 6 lug if you need them. No charge. I'll be home in 2 weeks.



 
Keroppi 
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02-04-19 02:25 AM - Post#2758942    
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  • Mick53 Said:
I have some 53 1/2 ton spindles, hubs and drums in 6 lug if you need them. No charge. I'll be home in 2 weeks.


Mick,

I could use the hubs, as mine are one piece drum/hub.

Keith has actually offered me parts out west, but I could definitely use the 6 lug hubs if you're willing to break them up, would like to get them. If so let me know how much for shipping when you get home.

Alan
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Mick53 
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02-04-19 05:09 PM - Post#2759028    
    In response to Keroppi

No problem, I have 2 complete axles I don't need. Remind me if I forget.



 
Keroppi 
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02-04-19 11:02 PM - Post#2759052    
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  • Mick53 Said:
No problem, I have 2 complete axles I don't need. Remind me if I forget.



I sent you an email, thanks for the offer.

Alan
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Gene_Schneider 
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02-11-19 08:28 AM - Post#2759614    
    In response to Keroppi

To convert Huck brake trucks to Bendix style brakes you use 1951-1954 1/2 ton truck parts.
They are six lug.

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Keroppi 
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02-13-19 04:44 AM - Post#2759794    
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  • Gene_Schneider Said:
To convert Huck brake trucks to Bendix style brakes you use 1951-1954 1/2 ton truck parts.
They are six lug.


Gene,

Aren't the hubs separate from the drums?

I was thinking I could get the hubs from Mick53 which are from a 1/2 ton and use with the passenger axle parts that Keith has. Will that work? (see a few messages above)

If not, and Mick53 has all the parts from a 1/2 ton and I would consider shipping all that rather than try to use Keith's parts.

Alan
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Gene_Schneider 
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02-13-19 08:14 AM - Post#2759806    
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The hub and drum were riveted together but do not have to be. A six lug drum must be used with a six lug hub. A Bendix hub must be used with a Bendix drum.

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Keith_Knox 
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02-13-19 09:56 AM - Post#2759815    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Gene I have a 29 to 54 parts book, but am not sure how to read it. My question is are the 51-53 car brake parts the same as the 51-54 1/2 ton pickup parts, except for the drum?

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Gene_Schneider 
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02-13-19 12:35 PM - Post#2759834    
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Yes, the brakes parts are the same except the front backing plates are truck only.
Also the front spindles for a 1951 and up truck must be used. At the rear the 1951 and up truck backing plates and axles.

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Keith_Knox 
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02-13-19 07:12 PM - Post#2759872    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Thanks Gene. Knew they were close to being the same.

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Keroppi 
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02-13-19 09:51 PM - Post#2759889    
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  • Gene_Schneider Said:
The hub and drum were riveted together but do not have to be. A six lug drum must be used with a six lug hub. A Bendix hub must be used with a Bendix drum.


Gene,

Right, but the $64k questions is if the 5 lug and 6 lug parts can interchange?

I'd like to ask a couple questions in regard to the hub/drum.

From what you have said, I need the plates from a 1/2 ton, correct?

Are the plates specific for the 6-lug or 5-lug hubs?

From what you said, I need a one piece hub/drum, or a 2 piece with a 6-lug hub, is that correct?

Will I only find a 6-lug hub on a 1/2 ton pickup?

I believe Mick53 has the plates, hubs, drums, et al, so maybe I should just get all of that from him together. His is from a 1/2 ton pickup, if you read above. He's traveling until next week and I'm leaving for 2 weeks on Friday. I will try to contact him next week over email.

Alan
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Mick53 
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02-17-19 09:31 AM - Post#2760105    
    In response to Keroppi

I have 2 complete 53 front axles. If you need hubs, drums, backing plates, spindles, bearings or whatever I'll send you whatever you need, no charge. I should be home next week.



 
Keroppi 
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02-20-19 06:48 PM - Post#2760385    
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  • Mick53 Said:
I have 2 complete 53 front axles. If you need hubs, drums, backing plates, spindles, bearings or whatever I'll send you whatever you need, no charge. I should be home next week.


Mick53,

Definitely interested but had to make an emergency visit to see my Father-In-Law. Will follow up in a private message. (email)

Alan
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02-24-19 04:13 PM - Post#2760679    
    In response to Keroppi

Hi Keroppi, One advantage with using a whole front axle from a 53 up PU is the shock mounts for non- lever action is made into the axle mounting area and just needs the top bracket from the frame.

Better shocks and easier to get.

On the cars, Chevy deliberately changed the diameter of the rear axle hub wheel centring stub so that Bendix brakes don't fit Huck Rear Axles.

It's an easy fix but they may have done the same thing on light trucks as well. The torque tubes between light trucks and cars are the same design but nothing much swaps over. A car 4.11 crownwheel won't go in a PU 4.11 carrier etc.

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Keroppi 
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03-04-19 12:10 PM - Post#2761285    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi Keroppi, One advantage with using a whole front axle from a 53 up PU is the shock mounts for non- lever action is made into the axle mounting area and just needs the top bracket from the frame.

Better shocks and easier to get.


What about using the parts from a PU but the axle which was for a passenger car? I have the parts from a PU but will not be shipping the axle. There is a passenger axle here, not too far from me that I could get, and piece it all together. I don't completely understand the suspension, I have seen the lever action type I have on mine. I'm guessing that you can use a normal shock on the non-lever mounted types, is that correct?

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
On the cars, Chevy deliberately changed the diameter of the rear axle hub wheel centring stub so that Bendix brakes don't fit Huck Rear Axles.


The plates definitely don't mount without some mods, so if the diameter is wrong on the axle/spindle, that would be an issue.

I'm only planning to swap out the fronts at this time.

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
It's an easy fix but they may have done the same thing on light trucks as well. The torque tubes between light trucks and cars are the same design but nothing much swaps over. A car 4.11 crownwheel won't go in a PU 4.11 carrier etc.


That makes sense that the carrier/diff won't work together. I have the ring/pinion upgrade and all gasket/seals/bearings for the rear end I have in it.

So, my current plan is to use all of that, leave the rear end as it is other than swapping out the ring/pinion. I also bought a NORS bushing/bearing for the torque tube, but until I get mine apart I won't be able to see if the rod is worn or not where the old busing is. Current plan is to replace the bushing with the NORS I have, but worst case will be I will buy an oakie bearing to use instead as it will ride on the unworn area.

I don't know the parts too well but can kind of visualize it, knowing what parts I have and the section of torque tube it uses.

PS - been out of country for 2 weeks, just got back...but it's been raining here and going to rain some more in Cali...my truck is down at a dirt yard I use...

Alan
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03-08-19 02:51 AM - Post#2761578    
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  • Gene_Schneider Said:
Yes, the brakes parts are the same except the front backing plates are truck only.


Gene,

I stopped by Keith's and picked up the axle tonight. I haven't opened things up, but the bolt pattern on the front Bendix plates appear to be the same familiar 4-bolt square pattern as used on my Hucks. I will try to get it all opened tomorrow and get a better comparison, it was raining when I got home...

Thank you for confirming that 5-lug hub and drum are specific, as are 6-lug hub and drum. I was afraid of that, but no worries.

I have another set coming soon, which mick53 is getting prep'd to ship. With Keith's axle, there should be plates, hardware and cylinders and shoes


  • Gene_Schneider Said:
Also the front spindles for a 1951 and up truck must be used. At the rear the 1951 and up truck backing plates and axles.


I believe they are the same as the spindles I have on it, but mick53 has the spindles also. That's good to know.

With all the above said, I have a bunch of parts to get for the Bendix conversion. I don't have any rebuild kits, and will most likely need shoes or relines. I need to get the hardware kits as well.

So I will install the Hucks back on while I gather the rest of the Bendix parts. Not too flush with cash, had an emergency family trip overseas...but I have a set of Bendix parts with Keith's axle. I don't think I can use the axle, but I will look to see if there's shock mounts that might be usable.

Mainly the brakes and hardware are what I want. At minimum the plates, cylinders, hardware and shoes would be what one needs to convert Hucks.

For certain I need Bendix 6-lug drums and hubs (I think my hubs would work) Can I use my '46 hubs on '51-'54 1/2 ton drums? That should work, right? I'm told my hubs are not swag'd on, so the lugs can be pressed out. In the worst case I think I can use my current hubs and press the lugs/hub into a proper Bendix drum. Is that correct Gene?

Thanks for your help.

Alan
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