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Username Post: Looking for a replacement truck        (Topic#354733)
rockfangd 
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01-05-19 08:35 PM - Post#2756671    

Hi All. So I am pretty old school so when the frame broke on my 1990 ScottsDale I realize that I am not easily going to find another like it.
I want to mention that I live in NY so it may be very different than other locations.
Anyway I have not really looked at any any GMs from 2000-2008 mainly because I see them every day. For whatever reason they are just falling apart and are not that cheap.
A decent High miled 1/2 ton is about 5-10k. That is with rust
Today I went to look at a 2000 Silverado 2500 that nailed what I am looking for except that I do not care for this series.
It is a 3/4 ton, 6.0, 4wd on the floor, 5 speed manual, rubber mat, base model. 8 foot bed.
That is exactly what I am looking for and had a reasonable price. But the repairs and longevity I would expect after all the repairs it needs just seems way beyond being worth it.
Truck was $2,000
List of problems it has
balljoints. Common
clutch slave leaking. Grr. Trans has to come out and might as well put clutch in.
exhaust manifolds. Common
2 of the frame tubes are just rotten. The one before the rear diff, and the one behind. Common
both outside door handles. common
door hinges and left latch.
rocker panels, cab corners, bed sides, front bumper all rotted.
instrument cluster flaky. common.
This nails most of what is wrong with this one.
Too bad too because All said and done it doesn't look bad.
Sadly nearly every one I have seen in general in our area has all if not most of these same issues.
If I was to look in another area for a truck like this is there a chance I could find one in better shape?
My truck never needed that much work to be completely reliable.
I know that if I fixed my truck it would easily last another 5 years at least.
The truck I looked at today I feel that it would cost too much to fix and would only last a few years at best.
I realize the truck is almost 20 years old.
I got lucky that mine is 30 years old.
I have seen tons of the 2000s in the salvage yards early with major rot, to the point they fold in half.
I would like to stick with GM but don't want to spend alot of money on a truck that could potentially end up with all of these issues.
Opinions are appreciated. Not trying to badmouth anyone, just curious as I explore


Old School GM fan FOREVER


 
someotherguy 
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01-06-19 06:26 AM - Post#2756689    
    In response to rockfangd

A big issue with the GMT800 trucks even if you find one that isn't rusty otherwise, is the hard lines for brake and fuel rot through quickly in areas that use any road salt. Seems they cheaped out on the materials.

If you don't care for this generation of truck why not stick with GMT400's? Shop in the South. You can get a lot of rust-free truck for your money.

Richard

06 Silverado ISS / 06 Silverado SS / 06 300C SRT8


 
rockfangd 
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rockfangd
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01-06-19 09:38 AM - Post#2756702    
    In response to someotherguy

The lines rot very quickly.
Trans, PS, brake, and fuel.
I have even dealt with the fuel tank rotting out where the fuel pump is retained. (plastic tank but the pump retainers steel)
If I had more time I would like to travel

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Edited by rockfangd on 01-06-19 09:53 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
454cid 
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01-06-19 02:10 PM - Post#2756721    
    In response to rockfangd

  • rockfangd Said:

If I had more time I would like to travel



I have not done this, but lots of people fly-in and drive out.


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jktucker92 
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01-07-19 04:29 PM - Post#2756805    
    In response to 454cid

I haven't chimed in yet because the problems you're having are foreign to me. I've owned 6 GMT800's and I like them a lot. The LSx engines are a big improvement over the old small block and big blocks and are worth the price over here. I've read a lot about rusting brake lines, fuel lines, etc. but I've never seen it personally. I live in Southeastern Washington (State), which is a desert environment, so nothing rusts here. Obviously, this makes my experience with the trucks different from somebody who experiences the results of salt on the roads. I have traveled to Detroit and other midwest cities and I've seen trucks that look like swiss cheese and noticed that you don't find 20+ year old vehicles there very often in decent condition.
So, to second 454CID's suggestion, if you can travel to a place where the vehicles don't rust you might be able to find what you want. I own a '65 Chevy truck that has never been stored inside, but the only significant rust is in the fenders behind the front wheels, and even those fenders are repairable. I've seen very few GMT800's over here that have any significant rust on them. My current rig is a '00 Silverado Crew Cab 2500 and it was a contractor rig that was worked hard. It still has the original fuel and brake lines and nothing significant in the way of rust.
Since you're from New York, I have no idea if there's anything close enough to make it worth travelling for. Flying 2500 miles here to drive a truck back probably wouldn't be worth it to me.



 
rockfangd 
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rockfangd
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01-07-19 07:12 PM - Post#2756821    
    In response to jktucker92

I like them.
Some people may beg to differ but it is difficult to keep anything from rotting in NY.
My 90 came from California and was beautiful 10 years ago.
For the first few years I stored it for the winter, until I realized that was the main reason I needed it. By the second winter It was already showing rust everywhere. I wash it very regularly as well.
I imagine If I did not maintain it the way I have it would have fell apart long before now

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Bill K.b 
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01-11-19 06:00 AM - Post#2757100    
    In response to rockfangd

You don't really have to go that far to find better vehicles. I went to the Carolinas twice in my '91 G20 conversion and picked parts off much nicer vans in the junkyards there.

I also made a point to look for a cluster for that van when we were in Indianapolis and it was about the same thing, in fact one van was so nice I was tempted to grab the rear doors and stuff in the rental mini-van to drive home.

I would just hop on Craigslist for those areas and see what's available in places like that and maybe plan a weekend trip around it. Even if you get one that winds up needing a motor or trans you're way ahead.


The other option is see what's being auctioned by state and municipal groups. Auctions International there's a nice clean '99 Suburban up for bid about 90 minutes from you, high miles but looks to have no rust somehow.

and right on about the rot, the you-pick yard closest to me has around a 2001 pickup and the cab is in one spot, the bed and rear of it in another, it broke in half. Meanwhile they get a '72 Pentastar product 4x4 with a plow and it looks decent, lots of life left in it, but there it is to get picked apart.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize it on the internet.

Driving 2002 Express 2500
2002 Express 2500 extended
1988 G20 conversion
1993 GMC 3500 dually

Plus cars for swap and sale
& yes, I once tried a frame swap on a 51 Chevy.


 
rockfangd 
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01-11-19 07:53 PM - Post#2757162    
    In response to Bill K.b

Sounds right.
I think I will try and explore elsewhere. Unless I get really lucky.

Old School GM fan FOREVER


 
elcamino 
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01-12-19 06:24 AM - Post#2757178    
    In response to rockfangd

I would avoid early new models. I had a 1999 and a 2001 GMC Sierra's and they had many design defects. Look for a truck that late in the model run, like a 1996 where there are less problems. The 1996 I had was the best and is still trucking 22 yrs later with the 2nd owner.

Mike
2017 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate 6.2L(420hp)/8-sp Z95
2018 Polaris RZR S 900 EPS


 
Bill K.b 
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01-13-19 03:31 PM - Post#2757285    
    In response to elcamino

1996 is the first year for OBD-II computer systems.

1995 is the only year I might avoid; due to tightened Federal emissions standards they're detuned in a way that reduces fuel economy, while that year the 4L60E trans got a TCC clutch solenoid that operates in steps, not just on/off. So in addition to a lot of one year only parts it's more work to change the ECM to run the more fuel efficient tuning. (my guess is GM knew they would be going OBD-II and the changes were just a stopgap for the one year instead of heavily revising the emissions for only one model year).

That said I sold my parents '95 C1500 with a 305 still going at 320,000 miles. The frame had a little rot around a swaybar mount. It had a lot of stuff fixed but the engine and trans were all original, never opened up. The guy who bought it thought he could get it inspected somewhere and drove it away.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize it on the internet.

Driving 2002 Express 2500
2002 Express 2500 extended
1988 G20 conversion
1993 GMC 3500 dually

Plus cars for swap and sale
& yes, I once tried a frame swap on a 51 Chevy.


 
rockfangd 
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01-13-19 03:56 PM - Post#2757287    
    In response to Bill K.b

I love the 90s. 94 and 97 was my favorite years.
If I could find one of my same era I would rather pay more than buying a newer one


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elcamino 
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01-14-19 04:41 AM - Post#2757316    
    In response to rockfangd

My work truck was a 1999 K3500 Suburban (old body style) and that had a tough 5.7L engine and trans. I idled that truck a lot, often 40 hrs or more a week (DOT GPS Surveys). Was special DOT F&SO vehicle. Only problems repairs were brakes and tires in a 125,000 miles and the truck was still in use after I retired in 2002.




Mike
2017 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate 6.2L(420hp)/8-sp Z95
2018 Polaris RZR S 900 EPS


 
rockfangd 
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01-14-19 08:02 PM - Post#2757393    
    In response to elcamino

I rest my case

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Bill K.b 
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01-15-19 08:34 PM - Post#2757507    
    In response to rockfangd

2000 old style 1 ton $2200

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/camden-2000-...

94 Z71 4x4 ext cab $2500

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/whitmire-for...

95 GMC ext cab $1800

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-199...

90 (listed twice also as 96) GMC long bed $1500

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-199...

94 K1500 ext cab $1500 (needs trans, includes parts truck)

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/bethune-94-c...

Just a few fast examples.


Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize it on the internet.

Driving 2002 Express 2500
2002 Express 2500 extended
1988 G20 conversion
1993 GMC 3500 dually

Plus cars for swap and sale
& yes, I once tried a frame swap on a 51 Chevy.


 
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