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Username Post: Z bar setup issues on a 59        (Topic#354086)
Tims59 
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11-27-18 08:56 AM - Post#2752523    

Looking for any advice on an issue with this swap I'm having. Put in a 454 in my 59 and bought the zbar bracket to weld to the frame. The issue I am having is if you screw in the ball stud in the engine and project it out to frame it hits just in front of the body mount. Its as if the engine is sitting about 4-6" too far back. Its bolted to a 4 speed and there is plenty of clearance with the distributor and firewall. So just wondering if I have the wrong motor mounts? I took factory mounts that were bolted to frame from a another 59 that had a 348 in it and bolted them to my car, then bought some motor mounts from Energy Suspension and they seemed to fit ok. But the zbar does'nt line up right. Any suggestions? Not sure how you add pics just yet will see if I can figure that out and list some. Thanks all.



 

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11-27-18 09:00 AM - Post#2752524    
    In response to Tims59

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showforum.php?fi... Posting photos by Tony

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raycow 
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11-27-18 10:04 AM - Post#2752534    
    In response to Tims59

Not the mounts, but the frame brackets can be wrong and cause the problem you encountered. I know you said the mounts came from a 348, but what kind of frame brackets are you using? Some people call those parts perches.

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DonSSDD 
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11-27-18 10:30 AM - Post#2752539    
    In response to raycow

On the BB there is a bolt hole or holes for mounting the ball stud for the z bar farther back than original V8's had, after maybe 65? A bracket bolts to the block and the z bar to the bracket.
I read about this recently but my CRS prevents me from remembering where. The frame bracket you have is correct if its the one by the body mount. The one ray is talking about is the "perches" that the motor mounts bolt to. There are some tall ones that were on the 6 cylinder.

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Edited by DonSSDD on 11-27-18 10:30 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
martiny 
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11-27-18 10:37 AM - Post#2752540    
    In response to DonSSDD

As stated the 6cyl mounts are taller than the V8 ones. Some pics are attached.

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v8 mounts


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6 cyl mounts


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Tims59 
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11-27-18 06:39 PM - Post#2752583    
    In response to raycow

The frame brackets came off a 59 Impala 4 door. I was told it had a 348 in it originally but it doesnt have an engine in it now. They look like the v8 ones in the pictures below but I will go out and check for sure when I get back home in a few days. As far as the engine its a 454 from early 70's to early eighties based on the engine numbers I could find. So that may explain why it doesnt line up if I need a bracket to bolt to engine.



Edited by Tims59 on 11-27-18 06:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tims59 
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11-27-18 07:06 PM - Post#2752594    
    In response to Tims59

Here are a few pics that maybe help show the issues I am having. This car was originally an automatic and I'm converting it to a 4 speed.

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Tims59 
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11-27-18 07:07 PM - Post#2752595    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Thanks Keith for the link on the photos!




Edited by Tims59 on 11-27-18 07:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
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11-28-18 01:14 PM - Post#2752689    
    In response to Tims59

If you are using a the 59 z bar and brackets, your z bar mount is way too far back, it should be in the stock location. This is the only way your clutch rods will line up. There will be a bracket that fits on your BB to position the ball stud for the z bar in the right place on the engine side of the z bar.

Here's a pic of a 62, that frame bracket mounts in the same place on a 59. You can see how close it is to the a arm.



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Tims59 
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11-29-18 08:09 PM - Post#2752850    
    In response to DonSSDD

Ok that makes sense then. Any idea where I would find that bracket?



 
DonSSDD 
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12-01-18 02:34 PM - Post#2753013    
    In response to Tims59

From what I’ve seen this may be something stock on 65 and later cars with a bb, maybe ask the guys on the 65 forum?

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