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Username Post: Steering Damper?        (Topic#353837)
TYTILIDIE 
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11-09-18 05:39 PM - Post#2750928    

I don't suppose there was one for these cars? When I hit a bump at 40+ I get the death wobble. I have to slow WAAAY down to get it to stop. Odd thing is, it was fine yesterday when I drove it home. I took it to get brakes bled and alignment today and they said they couldn't do it because of the fenders.

The alignment isn't terrible either. Everything is new and seems tight. Any thoughts?

1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

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DonSSDD 
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11-09-18 06:08 PM - Post#2750933    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

What do you have for steering? Stock?

63 Pontiac Parisienne Sport Coupe(CDN Chev mechanically (409, 4 speed),62 Bel Air SC (sold), 59 El Camino (sold), 62 Bel Air SC(sold), 63 SWC Vette (sold),
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Original58 
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11-09-18 06:26 PM - Post#2750935    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

Find an older alignment shop. The newer equipment cant align the older vehicles due to their equipment design. Newer machines require 4 wheel calibrations and they body of our vehicles do get in the way.
No damper required if aligned properly.
Jeff

1958 Biscayne 283 Turbo-Glide 31,000 mi (now 35,000 and counting) driven daily
1966 Mustang Inline 6- C4 57,000 mi and growing daily
1929 Graham - Paige 612- the eternal headache that I will never sell


Edited by Original58 on 11-09-18 06:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Gene_Schneider 
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11-09-18 07:15 PM - Post#2750944    
    In response to Original58

Find a different shop. There is nothing specail or unusual about aligning a 1959....problem could be that you are usung non-stock suspension parts.

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TYTILIDIE 
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TYTILIDIE
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11-10-18 04:25 AM - Post#2750961    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

It's all stock steering parts. Not original by any means but stock.

Could it be that the tires are too big? I have the H78's on there. Those are a 15" wheel and the tire height is 29".

The alignment issue seemed to be that their equipment doesn't fit on the wheel because of the fender and quarter panel arch. They said it blocks them from installing the parts.

1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

"You'll never get anywhere if you keep starting over".

Me


 
DonSSDD 
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11-10-18 07:35 AM - Post#2750970    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

29 inch is tall, is the H78 wide too? What offset on your wheels?

I’ve seen the death wobble on lifted trucks with large rubber, could be something similar happening here. Got a set of smaller tires and rims to try or a set you can borrow? I have a tall tire on the front of my car and I’ve never had anything like a death wobble or heard of anyone else having that issue, but 29 inch is really tall compared to stock which is about 26 inch.

Find out from a friend with an old car who they get to do do their wheel alignment.

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DonSSDD 
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11-10-18 07:44 AM - Post#2750971    
    In response to DonSSDD

I checked a converter and that’s about a 235-70-15 which is 9.25 inches wide, that’s a real big front tire and likely a good chance it’s causing your wobble, check the smaller tire Nd see what happens.

Are you getting any tire rubbing?

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Edited by DonSSDD on 11-10-18 07:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PLS 
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11-10-18 03:43 PM - Post#2751018    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

  • TYTILIDIE Said:

The alignment issue seemed to be that their equipment doesn't fit on the wheel because of the fender and quarter panel arch. They said it blocks them from installing the parts.



A friend of mine sons run a tire shop that he started many years ago and he had a couple of classics and did and still does a lot of work on these old cars. I attached a picture of mine being align, he couldn't finish it at the time and I have got to take it back but he had to add extensions on the parts that attach to the tires because of the problem that you mentioned. Lamar

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Shepherd 
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11-10-18 05:27 PM - Post#2751021    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

Too much play in the steering box can cause this.



 
ragtp66 
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11-11-18 06:33 PM - Post#2751091    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

If you are running the stock ball bearing front wheel bearings I would check both the bearings and inspect the spindle where the bearings ride for any pitting. scoring or unusual wear. Make sure the ball bearings are adjusted properly also. Tighten the spindle nut while rotating the tires to 28ft/lbs then back off the nut and re-tighten to 12 ft lbs. If the castle nut does not align to insert the cotter pin back the nut off until you can insert the cotter pin.

For what an alignment shop charges you can pick one of these up and do a better job then 95% of the shops out there.
https://www.amazon.com/PMD-Products-Camber-C aster-...


I would switch over to the 61-67 hubs and use the taper bearings to be honest its a much better design and much easier to get the taper bearings.

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