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Username Post: steering & brakes        (Topic#353831)
new in 62 
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11-09-18 10:14 AM - Post#2750894    

from new iN 62
I installed a new power steering dist valve on my 62 I tried to adjust the valve & I get pwr steering to the right & hard to the left I also put a kit in the cylinder could I have put this in wrong I thought it was a simple task I'm thinking i may have blocked a hole in the cyl.
I had the front end on jack stands I started the engine & when I revved it up it grabbed the steering wheel strange is my pump not working at lower RPM
I tried adjusting the valve by u tube video on 63 corvette this didn't work for me.I would like to know if there is a way to center the valve by turning the adjusting screw stop to stop or would the adjusting turn all the way out?
While I'm here I installed a new master cylinder & booster I installed disc brakes on the front I've got brakes but not power brakes I'm thinking the pushrod needs adjusting but I don't want to damage the booster by going to far any help I can get on this forum would be greatly appreciated,I'll thank you in advance.

Ken new in 62



 
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11-09-18 11:58 AM - Post#2750902    
    In response to new in 62

I can’t help you with disk brakes, but for the stock ps setup, follow the shop manual procedure for adjusting the pressure. You need a 61 shop manual, 62 supplement, and the 62 assembly manual. The ps info is the same for the 62 as the 61 shop manual but you’ll find the other 2 manuals very useful.

If you have everything installed correctly and just need the pressure adjusted, you do that while jacked up, if you have the system bled enough, when you start the car, the ps will work but may go all one way.

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11-09-18 12:13 PM - Post#2750904    
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And check the website “the old car manual project “ for the shop manual of you don’t have one.

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Jalapeno 
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11-10-18 08:36 PM - Post#2751032    
    In response to new in 62

new in 62, welcome.

What is the history of the power steering, especially the valve? By that I mean was it working properly before the work? Did you build the valve yourself? Or was it replaced with a professionally rebuilt original or a new valve?

The cylinder seal replacement would not cause this problem.

It's best to remove the cylinder shaft from the frame bracket while you adjust the control valve. That way you can fine tune the valve adjustment.

When adjusted properly, the adjusting nut will show about 1/16" of the relay rod it is threaded onto.

It's possible the valve has been assembled incorrectly.

Post your progress.

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11-11-18 07:50 PM - Post#2751100    
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Make sure the clevis is installed in the bottom hole on the brake pedal for power brakes.

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11-15-18 11:12 AM - Post#2751486    
    In response to Jalapeno

Thanx for every ones input.The valve is a new replacement.I think I was going about this wrong,I didn't bring power steering up to operating temp,I will try that & see what happens as far as the brakes go I got the plug to bleed the prop. valve I think that will solve the problem, I got the new system installed, booster - master cyl- prop valve.
I did the booster check foot on the brake & start the engine brake peddle depressed on start up.
When I get the chance I will give it another go & post how it works out.
Thanks again Nu in 62



 
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11-15-18 09:41 PM - Post#2751524    
    In response to new in 62

Temperature will not cause this problem.

Did you adjust (center) the valve after installing it? Did the valve come with instructions on how to do that?

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11-17-18 08:12 PM - Post#2751657    
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I tried to adjust the valve with the cyl not connected & didn't get any movement on the cyl ram I am thinking my pump isn't on the up & up or maybe an air lock in the system when I installed the valve I turned the steering lock to lock a bunch of times thinking that would purge any air.
I watched a video on u tube doing an adjustment on a 63 vette system thinking this would be the same valve. The car has been sitting as I built myself a 16 x 30 shop to get out of the weather just finishing as I did everything by myself,not bad for a codger.Any more input will be appreciated. Thanks Ken new in 62



 
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11-18-18 03:27 PM - Post#2751719    
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Do you have a shop manual? If you do, carefully follow the instructions step-by-step for bleeding the system and you should have no problems. I just had my pump and control valve rebuilt on my '61 Impala. I installed them, bled the system and it all works perfectly. Send me a pm if you don't have a manual and I can copy the pages and send them to you. John

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11-18-18 08:20 PM - Post#2751743    
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  • new in 62 Said:
I tried to adjust the valve with the cyl not connected & didn't get any movement on the cyl ram I am thinking my pump isn't on the up & up



Maybe. The only way to be certain is to put a gauge on it, shop manual shows how and it's a simple tool to build.

Valve adjustment can be tricky. When you say the cyl shaft did not move at all, how much adjustment did you do? Did you turn the nut a lot or just a little?


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11-19-18 09:01 AM - Post#2751770    
    In response to new in 62

If you are getting assist in one direction but not the other I would suspect the valve or possibly one of the lines running from the valve to the cylinder, could be rust or gunk restricting flow.

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11-19-18 08:10 PM - Post#2751845    
    In response to Aaronbang

Thanx for your input I had new lines made up at a hydraulic shop I will go over the assembly man. again I may have missed something.
I've got a lot on the go & haven't time to work on the car. I didn't get instructions with the new valve so I'm going by brail sooner or later I'll get it
Regards,Ken nu in 62



 
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11-19-18 08:31 PM - Post#2751853    
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Thanx for your reply,I can't recall how much I turned it but I was watching the cyl closely & I didn't see any movement at all I will check the man. on how to bleed the lines,it seems to me that could well be the problem. When I first installed the steering I left the cap off the pump & turned the wheel lock to lock a few times and some fluid shot out the top so I thought I got the air out. I didn't mention I had new lines made up so maybe I didn't get all the air. Regards Ken nu in 62



 
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11-19-18 08:36 PM - Post#2751857    
    In response to 58Yeoman

Thanx John I have the assembly man. & the supplement will go over it again I probably missed something.
Regards, Ken- nu in 62



 
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11-19-18 10:10 PM - Post#2751866    
    In response to Jalapeno

OK I can't remember the type of ATF I used The man. specifies type A AQ-ATF I may have used the wrong fluid or does it really matter may have used Dexron 111 I've got to start making notes.I did the install in the spring before I put the sheet metal back on, Regards, Ken nu in 62



 
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11-20-18 03:38 PM - Post#2751947    
    In response to new in 62

I have always used ATF Type A (and later, Dexron) in all of my PS units without any problems. Most parts stores sell products labeled as "power steering fluid", but I don't know how those differ from ATF or even if they differ at all.

The only caution I have ever heard is to not use Type F (intended for Ford transmissions), which is compounded with friction modifiers, but I still don't know what effect those modifiers would have on PS components.

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11-20-18 06:00 PM - Post#2751963    
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Thanx Ray,
I'll disconnect the cyl. & try again.

Ken nu in 62



 
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11-22-18 09:18 PM - Post#2752165    
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Dexron III ATF is the best replacement for the old Type A. Don't use the synthetic Dexron. Don't use "power steering fluid", it may have additives that are not compatible with the seals.

Since you had hoses made up instead of buying production hoses, you should check that they are plumbed correctly.

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11-24-18 02:21 PM - Post#2752269    
    In response to Jalapeno

I took the old hoses to the hyd. shop & they did a good job of duplicating the originals. I found a partly used brake fluid container so it has to be what I used,I'll use a suction gun & remove PSF I'll replace it with Dex 111,or is it to late?
Thanx, Ken nu in 62 I might add the hoses cost me $300.00 I think I got hosed lol



Edited by new in 62 on 11-24-18 02:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-25-18 07:48 PM - Post#2752366    
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You don't need to vac out the old fluid, just drain it, work the cylinder shaft back and forth to empty it, then reconnect everything and put in fresh Dexron III. Bleed with wheels off the ground.

Yeah, correct reproduction hoses are about $100 for all 4, so I think you overpaid.


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11-26-18 12:38 PM - Post#2752436    
    In response to Jalapeno

I'll give that a try I'll also position the nut on the valve so 1/16 of thread is showing that should get me close to centering the valve



 
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