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Username Post: Are we down to the Big 1?        (Topic#353775)
Rick_L 
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11-05-18 10:33 AM - Post#2750514    

Just wondering, has the "Big 3" already been pared down to the "Big One"?

Harvick was really impressive yesterday, again. I say he wins it all unless he has a reliability issue or pit problems.

Speaking of pit problems, have you ever seen so many claims of loose lugs? Certainly some of them were the tires themselves, I wonder if more were but just not reported or known to anyone but the crews?



 




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11-05-18 11:04 AM - Post#2750518    
    In response to Rick_L

I think it might come down to Harvick and Logano. You are probably right with Harvick taking all of the marbles at Homestead.

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WagonCrazy 
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11-05-18 04:30 PM - Post#2750546    
    In response to BigDogSS

Harvick has been consistently strong...no doubt.

But too early to call it still. This points thing, and down to 4 thing is coming up with Phx this next weekend.

The picture will be clearer after that.

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Rick_L 
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11-05-18 05:34 PM - Post#2750549    
    In response to WagonCrazy

Just thinking ahead to Harvick having owned Phoenix even before he drove for Stewart-Haas. Maybe one of the other 7 can get a win but they have to beat Harvick at Phoenix. That makes it tough for the bottom 4.

A small wild card is the Phoenix track being flipped around with the start/finish on what was the backstretch. But that will only affect restarts as the track is unchanged except for that.

That and the former "big" members not being impressive lately. But you know they both have a "Homestead" car that they've been prepping for about 2 months now. As has Logano.

It's kind of setting up like last year when Truex was the favorite and he delivered.



 
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11-07-18 03:58 PM - Post#2750701    
    In response to Rick_L

Not so fast fellas.
Harvick's team was hit with Level 1 penalties from post race inspection. The spoiler was found to have been modified from it's vendor supplied configuration. Nascar said that's a no no.

Just posted this morning.
No. 4 team assessed L1-level penalty, docked 40 points

By Staff Report NASCAR.com November 7, 2018 at 9:59 am
The No. 4 Stewart-Haas Racing team has been issued an L1-level penalty following driver Kevin Harvick’s win Sunday at Texas Motor Speedway, an infraction that carries major championship implications in the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series.

The team violated Section 20.4.12 of the NASCAR Rule Book that is specific to spoilers. Spoilers must be used exactly as supplied from the manufacturer and not altered. The infraction was discovered in post-race tear down at the NASCAR Research & Development Center.

As a result, Harvick has been docked 40 driver points and the team loses 40 owner points as well. Harvick’s win at Texas no longer automatically qualifies the team for the Championship 4 in Miami. He will enter this weekend’s Round of 8 finale fourth among eight playoff drivers in the standings, three points above the cutline – should there be a tie for the final transfer spot, Harvick cannot use the Texas win in the tie breaking procedure.

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Rick_L 
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11-07-18 04:42 PM - Post#2750705    
    In response to Boog

That's huge. In addition to what you posted, the crew chief and car chief were suspended for the rest of the year. Probably not a huge deal in itself but the difference between winning and losing is not very big either sometimes.

So now we're back to Logano being the only one locked in, the big 3 in position if they can maintain, and four more with a chance. Kurt Busch and maybe even Elliott have a chance to "point in" now.




 
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11-07-18 04:52 PM - Post#2750707    
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You know when any one car runs away from the field after every restart like that it cannot be all legit. The team's doing something to get the edge. This time they were caught. It must be one of those "gray areas" but will no doubt be addressed by Nascar. The shrub has had cars like that many times.
The 12 and 20 cars also were hit with L1 level penalties and they also lost crew chiefs and fines levied and loss of points too but for unmentioned offenses.
Chase just may have a chance yet. He seems to be the only consistent Chevy driver this year.

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11-07-18 04:54 PM - Post#2750708    
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Also JGR made if official today that Martin and Cole will be part of the company in the 19 car next year. So long Suarezz.

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Rick_L 
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11-07-18 06:45 PM - Post#2750716    
    In response to Boog

  • Quote:
You know when any one car runs away from the field after every restart like that it cannot be all legit.



So answer me this. Why don't all 4 Stewart-Haas cars run away at every restart? You can't tell me that they didn't all have that "special spoiler". You can speculate but you don't know.

Thing is, it's Harvick that can do that and not Busch, Bowyer, or Almirola.

And if that's the case, how can Logano outrun the rest of them? And how come Blaney and Keselowski can't run with Logano?

My personal thought is that Stewart-Haas cars are excellent and Harvick makes a S-H car even better.

My other personal thought is that since the spoiler fit the "at the track" measuring equipment which these days is quite sophisticated, how much could benefit could the illegal piece be?

You can also make the same talk about the 18, 11, 20, and 19. Even the 78. They all have the "special" whatever, but there's a difference that makes the 18 and 78 better.

Your argument may have been valid 30 years ago when Nascar did 2 things they don't do now. They didn't have a way to catch stuff like now, and they looked the other way on occasion.

But I guess there will always be talk, because some people don't believe certain people have the excellence they have.




 
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11-07-18 07:42 PM - Post#2750724    
    In response to Rick_L

Boy, that didn't take long.

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11-08-18 07:14 AM - Post#2750753    
    In response to Boog

Big news. Changes the outlook of the 6 other possible drivers going into the last few races.

Here's a good recap of the rules changes in force for 2018.
Note the use of the Hawkeye inspection system for race day car inspections. Hard to beat laser imaging...

And note the last rule change where it discusses L1 and L2 infractions and what that means for championship contention...

Motor Racing Network writeup

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Rick_L 
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11-08-18 12:17 PM - Post#2750791    
    In response to WagonCrazy

Read on jayski this morning that Harvick's spoiler was offset to the right. Why the **** couldn't they find that before the race? Before qualifying? Before practice? Word the day before was that it was undetectable until they removed it. Now which was it?

This is starting to look like the ultimate "caution for debris on the backstretch".




 
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11-09-18 11:18 AM - Post#2750898    
    In response to Rick_L

It was undetectable because the holes in the spoiler were drilled 1/4 inch to the left, which moved the spoiler to the right creating downforce (read: grip) in the corners. Apparently, there is a template for the holes and it did not fit. And the spoiler was manufactured by Stewart-Haas.


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Edited by BigDogSS on 11-09-18 11:20 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Rick_L 
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11-09-18 02:16 PM - Post#2750910    
    In response to BigDogSS

They are laser inspecting the body lines. They can't tell where the ends of the spoiler are when they are doing that? C'mon, man. You could check that with a tape measure.



 
BigDogSS 
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11-09-18 03:05 PM - Post#2750916    
    In response to Rick_L

They probably measuring the height and the width only, which this spoiler met both measurements.
Maybe they weren't checking the spoiler skew like that. I'll bet they do now...

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Edited by BigDogSS on 11-09-18 03:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Rick_L 
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11-09-18 05:42 PM - Post#2750929    
    In response to BigDogSS

Now you've got it, it isn't that they had to remove the spoiler to check it. They simply weren't checking. And you can bet they will now, they've already said so, and they will do it at the track.



 




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