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Username Post: Winter project        (Topic#353765)
Hards..60 
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12-07-18 04:36 PM - Post#2753769    
    In response to BigDogSS

  • BigDogSS Said:
FYI, I talked to the owner of http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/ a while back at a swapmeet, and he said 75% of phone tech support calls are for the TH200-4R transmission vs. 25% for the TH700-R4. And his sales are 80% 700-R4 vs. 20% 200-4R. He says 700-R4 are easier to install/set up, but people want the 200-4R because of the "better" gear ratios, which he says you really can't tell the difference. He recommends the 700-R4, if you decide to go OD.

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12-07-18 05:00 PM - Post#2753772    
    In response to Hards..60

Right-on, Roger!! Thanks!!

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
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Edited by BigDogSS on 12-07-18 09:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Hards..60 
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12-20-18 04:40 PM - Post#2755142    
    In response to raycow

  • raycow Said:
Thank you for taking the time to count the ratio and post it.

Now just to stir the pot a little more, here is what GM thinks you should have in there.
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1959_60/...

So is GM wrong, or did they just fail to mention that a buyer could order an optional ratio If it's a gear they already have sitting on the shelf, the cost would have been minimal, perhaps even free.

Ray



I'm going with GM is wrong

Ok so here's what I've done so far.
Also took some picture of starter holes that some have brought up.

If I counted the number of teeth on the flywheel, properly then I have 167.

The overall length of the transmission is around 125", including a 5" tail shaft.

Now I realise I will need to do something about the torque lock-up so between the 700r4 and the 200 4r is one easier than the other?


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Roger.

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Hards..60 
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12-22-18 02:59 PM - Post#2755304    
    In response to Hards..60

Could someone answer something for me about the governor on a power glide.

I've taken pictures of the governor itself and some information from the 58 shop manual.

It seems like there's suppose to be a gap at the top and bottom of the valve. If you look closely there doesn't seem to a gap at the bottom and the one at the top measures 35 thousands of inch.

Can someone explain how this governor works besides the fact that it controls pressure. It seems to me that there should be a flow from top to bottom...other than that I'm lost



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Bottom of governor valve...no visible gap.


Roger.

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Hards..60 
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01-03-19 04:21 PM - Post#2756494    
    In response to Hards..60

Figured out how governor valve works. It was stuck so I cleaned it and now it's good. I did find some dicolouration though as if it got hot...

I also discovered the throttle valve is broken..

Found sludge and dirt...

Also found the pin that drives the rear pump was broken and messed things up in there pretty good..





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broken throttle valve lever


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sludge..dirt


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crusty...


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broken pin..


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Hards..60 
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01-03-19 04:32 PM - Post#2756496    
    In response to Hards..60

Ran out of room....

Here's what the rear gear pump driven gear now looks like.

It's a wonder the darn thing ran at all..... and I paid for that...

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nicely chewed up


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this is the gear


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01-03-19 07:19 PM - Post#2756516    
    In response to Hards..60

Ouch! The drive pin is fairly easy to find. The shaft looks like it may needs repair though. Maybe weld it up and re-drill. Might find the pump on eBay

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Hards..60 
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03-17-19 08:57 AM - Post#2762293    
    In response to Chair City

Hello gentlemen, I'm back but this time I'd like to ask if someone can help me with a 200-4r.

I think that this is the transmission I'm going to go with since this one doesn't require any cutting of anything.

American Autowire sells a non-computerized lock-up switch kit for a 200-4r that automatically allows the torque lock-up to occur without any special requirements other than a 3/8 NPT threaded 4th gear pressure port on the transmission.

My question is would someone have a picture of a 200-4r that shows where and what this pressure port looks like? It doesn't have to be an actual transmission but maybe something out of a shop manual. Also for American Autowire to suggest this port must mean there are some 200-4r's that have this port and some that don't....I would be curious about what year the one's with the port were made.

Thanks for your time guys.

Roger.

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03-18-19 06:30 AM - Post#2762347    
    In response to Hards..60

Hey Roger, I have been looking for a powerglide forum to ask a question concerning the slipping of mine from low to drive and I checked a little about your question and found quit a lot and here are three that you could look at two of them have contact information that you could call or email, but this may not be what you are looking for. Hope this will help, Lamar
https://gearstar.com/blog/details/200-4r-t ransmiss...

https://gbodyforum.com/attachments/lockup-ki t-jpg....

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-general/22...





 
Hards..60 
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03-18-19 07:04 AM - Post#2762351    
    In response to PLS

LAMAR!!!!!

You are the best....that's exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks a bunch my friend....or maybe BFF

Roger.

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PLS 
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03-18-19 04:40 PM - Post#2762418    
    In response to Hards..60

Thank you Roger since I am usually on the receiving end of help I'm glad when I am able to offer a little help along the way. Keep us posted on how things are going. Lamar



 
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03-25-19 10:25 PM - Post#2762919    
    In response to Hards..60

If you have more questions or need parts on an old glide give David a call at http://www.autotran.us/ he is a wealth of knowledge on these old boat anchors.
I did a swap on a 58 Belair project car from PG to 700R4 easy enough to do. I used the Bowtieoverdrive kit to lock and unlock the torque converter. very detailed kit and they have EXCELLENT customer service even if you did not buy your trans from them. I got pre bent cooler lines made by Schaefer's but sold through Summit Racing and you can get the crossmember from BTO also.

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