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Username Post: Adding front seat, seatbelts        (Topic#353617)
SmooveP 
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10-26-18 08:00 PM - Post#2749643    

Anyone here add seatbelts in the front (59 impala hardtop) if so.. how, where? I'm sure the seat needs to come out, Been years... any special tools needed.. anyone know sizes needed?

Thanks!

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10-26-18 09:49 PM - Post#2749655    
    In response to SmooveP

It's a struggle with a bench seat.
When I had the front bench seat redone in my '59 Bel Air my guy told me he needed the seat belts before he started when I told him I was adding front seat belts.
There is virtually no way to thread the belts through the assembled seat assembly.

Seat Belts

Seat Belts Anchor

The above photo doesn't show how they are anchored very well but it's what I have saved.

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10-27-18 02:10 AM - Post#2749657    
    In response to cahartley

I don’t remember if the 59 has the nuts welded into the floor braces for mounting the seat belts or not but check for them. If there is an rpo for seat belts in the assembly manual, it will show you how to bolt them in Pierre.

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TYTILIDIE 
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10-27-18 10:38 AM - Post#2749694    
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What kind of seat belts? Lap? 3 point?

I did 3 point 8n mine.

1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
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10-27-18 01:45 PM - Post#2749708    
    In response to SmooveP

I purchased my seat (lap) belts from Ciadella along with the complete set, headliner, sun visors, door panels, seat covers and carpet for my ’60 Impala 2drht. Here is a link to instructions for ’60 belt installation, I would think that the location would be the same for the ‘59. There were dimples in the floor pan and I just drilled the holes there. http://www.60impala.com/pictures/chevy839/360 3.htm At the bottom right side you can click on NEXT for more info.
While I was searching for ’59 belt information it referenced this post on CT as one source, the last post was your about having to install front seat belts in a few years, this was back in 2013.
https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t... Hope that this helps, Lamar


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The bolt is a 7/16" x 28 (NF)x 1 1/2"




 
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10-28-18 12:37 PM - Post#2749778    
    In response to cahartley

  • Quote:
It's a struggle with a bench seat.
When I had the front bench seat redone in my '59 Bel Air my guy told me he needed the seat belts before he started when I told him I was adding front seat belts.
There is virtually no way to thread the belts through the assembled seat assembly.


I think that's true only for the four-door cars. I think on a two-door, the belt can come up from behind the seat bottom and slip right in under the tiltable seat back.

I got good belts from this source: https://www.seatbeltsplus.com/

BTW, they recommend 60 inch belt length for the front seats. That's what was in my car when I got it, and it left a lot of extra belt unattractively laying on the front seat. When I replaced my belts I went with the next shorter length, 48 inch I think it was. The 60 inch length is probably only necessary when the seat is slid all the way back and holding a very big-bellied person.



 
TYTILIDIE 
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12-06-18 10:46 AM - Post#2753628    
    In response to JayChicago

Here is how I mounted my buckles

Not the end of the world but not that easy either. I just drilled a hole in that center seat swivel area and got a nut in there. Took about 30 minutes and $1 in parts.




1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

"You'll never get anywhere if you keep starting over".

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Edited by TYTILIDIE on 12-06-18 10:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
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12-06-18 04:04 PM - Post#2753655    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

In my opinion you have to connect the seat belts to the floor and make sure you have solid backing behind the nut on the underside. That is the factory away this was done. Fastening to the seat means all the load of the seat and you goes to the seat bolts and in an accident that’s likely not good.

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Aussie_Chevy_Nut 
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12-06-18 04:37 PM - Post#2753658    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

Such an installation (bolting to the seat frame) would be illegal in every state of Australia.
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12-07-18 12:27 PM - Post#2753750    
    In response to SmooveP

Hope this helps



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TYTILIDIE 
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12-12-18 06:12 AM - Post#2754224    
    In response to 59fins

Yeah, maybe so. All I can say is, to run them through the seat would require some effort and cost. The seat belts I got have a fairly short buckle strap. I suppose I could order longer ones and go to the floor. I actually first had a floor mount but it was located directly under where your butt would go if you sat in the middle. When I started putting the interior together I just came to the conclusion that it didn't make much sense.



1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

"You'll never get anywhere if you keep starting over".

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threeimpalas 
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12-12-18 08:41 AM - Post#2754234    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

  • TYTILIDIE Said:
Yeah, maybe so. All I can say is, to run them through the seat would require some effort and cost. The seat belts I got have a fairly short buckle strap...



So, a few bucks over safety? The effort required would be minimal.

If you're really that cheap, swap the latch to the outside and the adjustable portion to the inside. Yeah, it's "backwards" from standard practice, but will get the job done.

Mike
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TYTILIDIE 
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12-13-18 06:08 AM - Post#2754339    
    In response to threeimpalas

  • threeimpalas Said:
  • TYTILIDIE Said:
Yeah, maybe so. All I can say is, to run them through the seat would require some effort and cost. The seat belts I got have a fairly short buckle strap...



So, a few bucks over safety? The effort required would be minimal.

If you're really that cheap, swap the latch to the outside and the adjustable portion to the inside. Yeah, it's "backwards" from standard practice, but will get the job done.



Considering the car didn't even come with seatbelts I'd say something is better than nothing until I can figure it out. I have 3 point belts so what you are suggesting isn't that easy for me. Especially when you consider the likely hood of the seat frame collapsing or what have you.

Call me a dick, a censored, an censored, a bastard, a jerk, but don't ever call me cheap and don't mistake my kindness for a weakness.


1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

"You'll never get anywhere if you keep starting over".

Me


Edited by TYTILIDIE on 12-13-18 06:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ARTEMIS1759 
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01-31-19 10:54 AM - Post#2758658    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

Tell [image][/image] you what I am thinking, getting the 3 point extractor belts from a early to mid 2000's Chevy/GMC pickup and engineering them into the seat. Not sure yet. But, it's one of my thoughts. I got a million of them when it comes to my car.

To those who dance to the beat of a different drum and dare to make they're dreams come true...


Edited by ARTEMIS1759 on 01-31-19 11:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TYTILIDIE 
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02-01-19 04:50 PM - Post#2758778    
    In response to ARTEMIS1759

I thought about that too. A lot of work but I am sure it could be worth it. Main thing is getting the seat to lock I guess. I imagine you would want to really beef up that upper seat frame.

1959 Biscayne with Impala Moldings, 5.3l LS Swap, 4l60e trans, factory PCM
1992 GMC Typhoon - Bowtie block and heads, forged everything, PTE76mm Turbo, 4L80E, Stock PCM's

"You'll never get anywhere if you keep starting over".

Me


 
ARTEMIS1759 
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02-01-19 06:18 PM - Post#2758780    
    In response to TYTILIDIE

Yeah, I will have to figure out everything yet. I am all up for re-engineering.

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