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Username Post: SS427 question, '67 Impala Convertible        (Topic#353599)
df0rster 
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10-25-18 07:07 AM - Post#2749526    

I've read quite a bit on this topic, but can't find a way to identify what engine was in my "new" '67 Impala convertible. I know it was a v8 SS by the vin, but it currently has a rebuilt 454 engine and only has the 427 SS emblem on the grill. And other various SS emblems inside but most are gone on the outside. How can I find out for sure which engine belongs to this car? I've read some vague stuff online about 12 bolt rear end, front sway bar for big block cars, etc. The guy I bought it from didn't know which engine for sure belonged with it. Just want to consider trying to put the original engine back.

Thanks!



 




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10-25-18 08:26 AM - Post#2749531    
    In response to df0rster

Hmmm....it could be tough. Post a picture of the cowl tag. If you can't post pictures, just type what is on the cowl tag.
Big block clues are: 12 bolt, TH400 (automatic); 1½" radiator spacer. But these could also be installed on 327 cars.
Does the car have the original front fenders? Look for engine emblem holes. They will be punched into the fender, as opposed to drilled.


    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 09:38 AM - Post#2749534    
    In response to BigDogSS

I will look for the tag after work.

The body shop where it was painted filled all the emblem holes. And I suspect they kept any emblems since they would have been SS emblems at least. It might have had a full set of ss427 emblems if someone went to the trouble to add the 427 grill emblem. I nor the seller saw it before it was painted.

The only clues I've found so far is that it does have a 12 bolt rear end, and it does have the front sway bar. Which I think I read this indicated heavy front suspension for a big block engine, could have read wrong.

Thanks!




 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 09:40 AM - Post#2749535    
    In response to BigDogSS

Oh and it has no radiator or hardware, does have the 400 tranny behind the 454, but I doubt it is original. it also has the automatic floor console in it.pretty sure that is original by the factory hole in the floor board.



 
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10-25-18 11:46 AM - Post#2749543    
    In response to df0rster

Look on the inside of the front fenders to see how the body shop filled the holes. You might see some evidence of the holes.
SS427 emblems added to grills is common and easy.
On cars originally equipped with TH400, there are two set of transmission cross member mounts welded to the frame. All frames came with the forward set of mounts. The TH400 cars had the correct mounts (further back) welded to the frame right on the assembly line.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 10-25-18 11:54 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 12:53 PM - Post#2749550    
    In response to BigDogSS

I will check that as well.

I’m assuming it is a regular small v8 SS. Which will still make for a slick Impala project. Also has the optional tach and factory air, ps, and pb.

Do you know if all ‘67s had the front sway bar?.

Thanks!



 
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10-25-18 12:57 PM - Post#2749551    
    In response to df0rster

A-HA, A clue! What is the redline on the tach?

Don S.
1968 SS427 x 4
1968 Impala L-72
1969 Chevelle SS396


 
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10-25-18 02:35 PM - Post#2749558    
    In response to 68SS427

Yes, the front sway bar was standard on all 1967 Chevrolets.

2 different tachometers for 1967:
5000 redline --> 283, 327, 396
5500 redline --> 427

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 10-25-18 02:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 03:19 PM - Post#2749566    
    In response to BigDogSS

I found 2 sets of cross member mounts welded to the frame. Pretty close together. But only the tail shaft member is installed. Front one is not there.

Can’t see the darn red line. It’s faded all to white I guess.

Did see 4 holes filled with putty on the front of the fender where the emblems go. Looks like they had nuts on em so I can’t tell if punched or drilled.

Found the cowl plate info. But can’t tell any engine info from it. Maybe you experts can tell me. sorry can’t post a pic from my iPhone:
09D
67-16867. Stl000072. Body
895-P. F-1. Paint
E2Ezr
Sypy. 116304








 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 03:34 PM - Post#2749569    
    In response to 68SS427

Could not see the “red”. It’s faded to all white I guess. Or maybe it’s an after market or other cluster. Looks like the white line started at 4600 or 4700. And then goes up to 7000



 
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10-25-18 04:13 PM - Post#2749572    
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From http://www.impalas.org/numbers/
09D: Build week --> September 1966, 4th week
67-16867.: 1967 Impala SS convertible
Stl: St. Louis, MO assembly plant
000072.: Plant sequence build --> 72nd 1967 Impala SS convertible body style built at St Louis.
895-P.: White Strato-bucket seat interior. Not sure what the "P" is. It probably is "B" = bucket seats.
F-1.: Lower/Upper exterior paint --> F=Marina Blue, 1=white convertible top.
E2Ezr: Accessory codes. Group 1 --> 1(implied): E = Tinited Glass.
Group 2 --> 2(shown): E = Air conditioning, Z = TH400 Transmission, R = rear speaker.
Sypy.: ?? Not sure what this means. Please double check these letters.
116304: Plant numbers that are undecoded.



 
df0rster 
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10-25-18 04:41 PM - Post#2749573    
    In response to BigDogSS

You are right. It was a B

Also the S is a 5. 5YPY

On the tach did both options start at the 4800 with the white line?

I am suspecting this is a 396 Ss now.





 
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10-25-18 06:42 PM - Post#2749582    
    In response to df0rster

5YPY. --> More accessory codes.
Group 5 --> 5(shown): Y = Custom Front an rear seat belts.
I'm not sure what the "P" and second "Y" means.

As far as the engine --> Is the TH400 still present? There is a tag on the passenger side that will tell you which engine was attached to that transmission.
Look here: http://impalas.org/drivetrain/ and scroll down to the TH400 section.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 10-25-18 06:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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10-26-18 08:17 AM - Post#2749611    
    In response to BigDogSS

I don't think its the original tranny. Was just told it was a th400 w/ a 454. I'll crawl under and look for that tag.



 
BigDogSS 
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10-26-18 09:42 AM - Post#2749620    
    In response to df0rster

Double check the "5YPY". Are all of the letters right next to each other? A picture would be helpful.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



 
df0rster 
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10-26-18 11:13 AM - Post#2749622    
    In response to BigDogSS

Not sure if this image will post, so posting some links as well.

[image]http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/df0rster/ 2345F16B-9635-41A3-8D58-D C9CCCE74FD8_zpsr1nos4jo.jpeg[/image]

link to picture


http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/df0rster/ ...




Edited by df0rster on 10-26-18 11:34 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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10-26-18 11:39 AM - Post#2749626    
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[image]http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/df0rster/ 2345F16B-9635-41A3-8D58-D C9CCCE74FD8_zpsr1nos4jo.jpeg[/image]

testing photo posting again



 
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10-26-18 11:48 AM - Post#2749628    
    In response to df0rster

Yes, I was able to get to your pictures. I will send you a PM shortly.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



 
df0rster 
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10-26-18 12:05 PM - Post#2749629    
    In response to BigDogSS

Well I discovered that photobucket stinks for photo hosting. picturetrail seems to work much better..

Anyway, below are most of the things you had me check and some extras. After I removed the cloudy plastic gauge cover, I think I can see on the tach the very very faded "red" line, it looks to start at 5000.


















 
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10-26-18 12:11 PM - Post#2749630    
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Cool. The "K" on the top right of he cowl tag is the interior color:
Parchment (or White)/Black. Carpet, instrument panel, and steering wheel are black.
This is from Camaro Research Group.
Warren Leunig has similar info for Impalas, but has not added it to http://impalas.org yet.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 10-26-18 12:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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10-26-18 12:30 PM - Post#2749631    
    In response to BigDogSS

Great info!

Thanks.

I'm sure I'll be posting lots of questions as I work through the rebuild. It basically needs interior put back together and a new top, engine wiring harness and driveshaft. And lots of little things I don't know yet.

Paint is great for a driver quality car and all the panels look very straight. Someone spent a lot of time/money on the body work. It does need drivers side floor pan.

The first big question I will be asking is regarding the missing back seat. It has the speaker but seat is gone. I need to find one somewhere. I think various GM convertible's in the 67-68 year range will fit. Not exactly sure which ones yet. Any ideas?



 
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10-26-18 07:43 PM - Post#2749645    
    In response to df0rster

Interesting to see the 5YPY. 5Y is deluxe belts and it may have to do with a seat belt variation but I haven't figured out what that is. I've seen this code on 66's from STL but hadn't seen it on a 67!

Would be interesting to see what the rear axle code is. Also wonder if the dash cluster still has the paper ID tag on the side. Probably not anymore.



 
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10-26-18 10:42 PM - Post#2749656    
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Thanks, Warren! Wow, I'm a little shocked that these codes are unknown.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 10-26-18 10:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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10-27-18 07:46 AM - Post#2749684    
    In response to df0rster

Seems like it was a really nice original color combination... almost too bad the paint is in such nice shape because I'm sure she would look good in what she was wearing from the factory.

My dad had a '68 Camaro in a special order exterior color. I was too young to know anything about trim tags. I was just wondering if there could have as well been special order interior colors/options referring to the P after the 895. The 3 digits alone normally tell you bucket or bench so I wouldn't think the P (or thinking it's a B) would be a modifier for bucket. Impalas.org shows that if it had a strato bench the code would be 898 whereas 895 is Impala SS bucket.



 
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10-27-18 11:01 AM - Post#2749700    
    In response to toro455

We determined it is a "B" for sure.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



 
df0rster 
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10-29-18 04:34 AM - Post#2749845    
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I will check the rear end and instrument panel.



 
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10-30-18 07:48 PM - Post#2750052    
    In response to df0rster

For the 5Y code, my '66 Impala SS convertible has that code. My seatbelts have a self retractor on it, and that's about all I see that's different from other cars.



 
df0rster 
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11-01-18 03:30 AM - Post#2750138    
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Good to know. I’m not sure mine has the retractors. But I think part of the front belts are missing. The rear does not have retractors.

What engine do you have? I’m trying to id which engine this car came with.

Thanks!





Edited by df0rster on 11-01-18 03:31 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-01-18 07:22 AM - Post#2750153    
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5Y = Custom Deluxe seat belts with front retractors for both 1966 and 1967.
Standard seat belts: Buckles are interior color with "GM" logo on the button. Webbing is interior color.
Custom Deluxe seat belts: Buckles are brushed aluminum with a Fisher Body Carriage logo on the button. Webbing is interior color.

For 1967, front seat belts retractors are standard.

    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS convertible 327 - Ermine White C1 - VCCA Senior Award
    1967 Chevrolet Impala SS Sport Coupe 396 - Marina Blue FF - personal "barn-find" lol



Edited by BigDogSS on 11-01-18 07:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
df0rster 
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11-01-18 01:31 PM - Post#2750186    
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We do have the custom brushed buckles with the carriage logo.

So I guess we stil don’t know what the py is.

I will look at the rear end and instrument cluster label and post what I find out.

Oh and I did verify that it has that 1 1/2” spacer on the radiator. It was in the trunk. But I think that could be on the 327 if it had factory air.

Also someone who knows these cars more than me said a 3/8” fuel line indicates a big block. I’ll measure that as well.





Edited by df0rster on 11-01-18 01:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 




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